HELP ....what am I ?????
 

trying to ID a bike for some cycling buddies (I give up im stumped) here is what I know Campagnolo drops........ Italian threads...... serial on side of seat tube (see pic) ..... brakes spaced for nutted long reach

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any help would be great thanks

a stumper, alright...what you have there is an early frame that got treated to some braze-ons, that chain hanger and even the TT cable guides were not original. The lugs look nice and the Campy forged (long 1010A) dropouts point to a decent pedigree, but the slightly "cheap mass production" feature of the crimped-flat stay caps point towards a mid-range model, probably a big manufacturer due to the serial number stamped on the seat tube (probably the best clue).
My guess might be something like a Fiorelli/Coppi or possibly Chesini or Romani...somebody like that.

added braze ons .... that might explain why I have not been able to match it up to anything yet ...thanks for the clue

REALLY 15,000 bike professionals 15,001 including myself) and nobody has seen one of these ,................ c-mon bike people give a fellow biker a hand

Crude workmanship with no real distinguishing features is a problem. The ugly seatstay cap job, heavily indented right chainstay, and serial number stamped into the top of the seattube make me think it was a cheap-ish utilitarian bike - but the long point lugs and racing dropouts say otherwise. I don't trust Columbus or Campagnolo decals on bikes like these. Forgeries that get stuck to department store bikes aren't uncommon. More photos would help.

What, you trust us "bike professionals" but not scientists? I dunno man, I think Italian threads are a hoax!

I was thinking Fiorelli...has that feel

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agreed . to me it seems like a entry level bike of a better brand .............but which one ********************? not coppi but Fiorelli is a possible hit

It may have come out of one of the big facilities like BMZ. With a fork crown like that and the dropouts it doesnt look like stovepipe bike or machine built.

I'v never seen a rear derailleur cable stop/guide brazed to the outside of the rear fork before. I wonder if you can see evidence of it originally being brazed to the top or the underside of the rear fork before?

Long series Campy rear dropouts, filed thin lugs and an Italian threaded bottom bracket - it looks like a nice, Italian built frame. I think it is going to be difficult to identify the actual frame builder but, hopefully, the positioning of the serial number will help as it's quite unusual.

Atala bikes have stamps on the sides of the tube

thanks I already compared atala to it and its not close
still stumped

Based on the cutouts on the lugwork, it's most likely 80s vintage, and probably Fiorelli or Guerciotti. My guess is it's a basic Fiorelli. The weight should tell you what type of Columbus tubing it was made from. If the frame is five pounds or less it's likely to be superleggera. Should ride pretty well once built up.