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Cinelli frame numbering.

Old 06-10-14, 02:08 AM
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Cinelli frame numbering.

The mystery of Cinelli numbering. Has anyone made a register of frame numbers and date of manufacture. I have 5705.
Any help in pin pointing a date of build will be very welcome.
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Old 06-10-14, 06:16 AM
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Cinelli serial numbers prior to 1980 are absolutely meaningless. They show no indication of when the frame was manufactured. After 1980, the first two numbers indicate the year it is made.

If your bike was originally sold by Spence Wolfe, he kept a record of his sales back to the early 50s.

For dating a frame, using the Cinelli timeline is your best bet, Velo-Retro: Cinelli Timeline

There is a very incomplete registry showing their is no correlation between number and date, Cinelli Registry
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iab summed it up pretty well, add to the issue that your Cinelli is not a Super Corsa and it even gets murkier.
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Thanks guys. the bike came to me 42 years ago so I'm assuming it is about 50. I'll keep looking.
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Based on the timeline I posted, yours is 1958-1960, or later.

1958 is the change from the 56mm headbadge to the 51mm headbadge.

In 1960, the wolf ear lugs disappear. It looks like you have wolf ear lugs, but from the photo you posted it is hard to tell. I question it because your fork crown is is a post 1960 version.
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Originally Posted by iab View Post
Based on the timeline I posted, yours is 1958-1960, or later.

1958 is the change from the 56mm headbadge to the 51mm headbadge.

In 1960, the wolf ear lugs disappear. It looks like you have wolf ear lugs, but from the photo you posted it is hard to tell. I question it because your fork crown is is a post 1960 version.

Man, I must have looked at that picture and at some of my bikes for five minutes last night. I was trying to figure out if those were the pointed lugs or just a trick of the lighting. I was more leaning toward yes but far from sure.

The headset also looks like a Cinelli headset, missing the spacer and top nut. I may be wrong though. I don't know any other headset that looks quite like it, but there probably is one. It was pretty common to remove the spacer for a centerpull brake hanger, usually the top nut is kept though. If so, this puts the bike at mdi sixties at the latest.
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The bike is from the mid sixties on wards (so I believe).This is based on provenance as I know that the bike belonged to a young man in Manchester and that he dismantled the bike. I'm trying to trace him. No it has'nt got wolf ear lugs, and no chrome. I can't find pictures of a mid to late sixties bike to compare. I'll check the badge width. But it still think 65 on wards. Thanks for your input.

Just a quick query the head badge is 56 mm long but there are no wolf ear and there is a Weinmann front wheel. I'm wondering if the forks were bent at some time and replaced.

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Well that's interesting. Just goes to show you should never say never, but a 56mm headbadge without wolf ear lugs is a new one on me.
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A really nice thing has happened. Because to world is a small place and because the bike was bought from the proprietor of a family run hotel. I contacted the brother of the original owner.
The bike was bought in Manchester in 1964. Next is see if the bike shop is still there. 22 years a police officer, I love investigating stuff.
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Stop press.....I have now discovered that the bike was bought from Johnny Berry Bike Shop in 1964. It doesn't have Wolf ears but does have the larger Cinelli Badge. Johnny Berry a reputable dealer and well respected bike builder maintained 5705. I suppose that' as good as it gets with provenance.
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