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Fausto Coppi 1950s? A strange find

Old 06-10-14, 07:25 AM
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Fausto Coppi 1950s? A strange find

Here is a frame i have just picked up.
The downtube says Fausto Coppi.
It has another name on the seat tube and on the headtube badge but i can't make out the name.

Can anybody read the name on the headbadge?

It appears to be French threaded on the bottom bracket and the headset.
1950s Campagnolo dropouts? The derailleur stop appears to be quite far along the dropout compared to normal.

It also came with these nice Campagnolo bar end shifter marked Gran Sport and Deragl Centrale.

The lugs are very nice on the bike and it appears well made.

Any ideas what this frame is?
I can't see any other Fausto Coppi frames that are similar to this one.

Here are some photos.











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Old 06-10-14, 07:28 AM
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I have no idea but it looks quite nice; quality work on the stay and fork ends and other details.

Do I see a little crack at the seatpost binder? Maybe nothing to worry about.

You have once again reinforced my personal rule to read all threads started by Daveyates.
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Originally Posted by due ruote View Post
I have no idea but it looks quite nice; quality work on the stay and fork ends and other details.

Do I see a little crack at the seatpost binder? Maybe nothing to worry about.

You have once again reinforced my personal rule to read all threads started by Daveyates.
Yes, I do that too. Daveyates is always turning up interesting bikes and bits.

There were Coppi branded bikes by Fiorelli in Italy, but the bulk of the bikes I have seen from that partnership were from the 60's.
This is of course much earlier.
Does this frame have Italian or French threading?
The details look more French than Italian.
I would guess a marketing deal with a French firm way back, probably for the French domestic market.

Yes, those Campagnolo rear dropouts are from the 50's, like 1953 ish, maybe a bit earlier.

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Old 06-10-14, 07:58 AM
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Thanks guys, I haven't been putting many photos online lately but i have had lots of interesting finds!

Yes to me it's a French bike. The threading is French and the pin striping to me looks French as well.

But i can't for the life of me read what is written on the badge!
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Due Ruote i noticed that crack too after i uploaded the photos.
It doesn't appear to be any larger than what you can see though.
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Old 06-10-14, 08:35 AM
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Great looking frame, this is probably a pointer in the right direction:
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Originally Posted by CMAW View Post
Great looking frame, this is probably a pointer in the right direction:
That is great thanks!
How on earth did you find that

So it is obviously his image on the head badge and it looks like his strange signature.
Not in a million years could i of deciphered that as his name
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Simple, Dave, I figured the signature on the headbadge might be FC's, so I googled "FC + signature" and this came up. Nice card, I saved it!
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Was he PeeWee Herman's dad?

Another cool frame, Dave. Those bar ends are worth the price of admission.
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Those rear drops are specific to a year or two (1951?), and designed for the first generation of Gran Sport derailleurs. They have larger dropout adjuster bolts (thus the bulge). There's a thread about them somewhere around here. Cool find. Now you need to track down the right derailleur.
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Now you need to track down the right derailleur.
...or he could just hack the hanger off and make it a fixie.

KIDDING!!! JUST KIDDING!!! CALL OFF THE REAPER DRONE!!!
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Originally Posted by Daveyates View Post
That is great thanks!
How on earth did you find that

So it is obviously his image on the head badge and it looks like his strange signature.
Not in a million years could i of deciphered that as his name
If you know that Italians from that period typically signed their last name followed by their first name you might have recognized it.
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The reason the signature on the seat and head tubes (and elsewhere) looks odd is because it says "Coppi Fausto," a standard European (or at least Italian) way of signing one's name back in the day. May still be common today, but I don't know.

As for getting a Gran Sport RD, they are usually available on the 'Bay. Kinda spendy, though. Especially for one of the really early ones, c.1951 or 1952.
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Thanks for the comments and advice.

So the check list is

Campagnolo Gran Sport derailleurs from around 1951.
Is there anything that make these dates stand out with this model.
i.e Is there a difference between late 50s derailleurs and early 50s.

Universal brakes.
I checked the bike with Super Record brakes and the rear comes nowhere near the wheel rim.
If i understand correctly the Universal rear brake is a long reach?

Wheels would be Campagnolo Gran Sport hubs with aluminium tubular rims?

I checked a French stem in the fork and it is too small so i take it i need a non French period stem and bars.
Maybe a 3ttt?

What sort of crankset would this of used originally?

Sorry for all of the questions and thanks in advance.
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Can't help you with your questions, but boy, that's a nice find! I'm currently vacationing in France and checking leboncoin, but the bikes for sale here are so small!
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Can't help you with your questions, but boy, that's a nice find! I'm currently vacationing in France and checking leboncoin, but the bikes for sale here are so small!
Thanks.

Sometimes the larger bikes crop up.
This one is huge for a late 40s early 50s French bike!

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^ That's more like it! But huge indeed for an old French bike. I have a couple of seventies Gitanes in 62 and a Peugeot in 64, but those were probably export models.
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