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Old 06-21-14, 06:05 PM
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Phillips vintage -- Model and year?

Hey there! I am Julián again, from Argentina.

A couple of months ago i bought a vintage Phillips but i don't really know its model or year of fabrication. Can you help me out with it?

I think it has lots of original parts but it also have some things that look suspicious. The crank set is not original and the handler it's strange.



What you think guys?
Thanks thanks and more thanks
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Old 06-21-14, 06:44 PM
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It has a serial number in the back section! I have to check it out to see the number. Someone has some kind of chart for this?
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Old 06-21-14, 07:29 PM
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Hard to tell. The seat-stay cluster, the location of the fender eyelet on the rear dropout, and the seat-tube decal look like non-Raleigh production, which would indicate that it was made in Birmingham before 1960, The headlight bracket looks non-Raleigh, too. The chainwheel looks like the standard one Raleigh put on most of its low-end brands post-1960, but it might not be original. 1950s would be my guess, but it's just a guess. A better picture of the rear hub and dropout, as well as the headbadge, might help.
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From what I can see, it is pretty much original other than the handlebar and crankset. I've not seen fenders like those before, but the patina looks correct for the bicycle and may have been installed when the bicycle was purchased. As with brianinc-ville, I'm guessing late 1940's up through the late 1950's.
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Huh. Just noticed that the rims are 28 x 1 5/8 x 1 1/4, which, according to Sheldon is an old designation for 700c -- would that indicate that this was originally a clubman-type sporting bike, probably with drop bars, rather than an upright transportation bike? The short fenders and wingnuts would make sense in that context. Late '40s-early '50s, probably? Of course, we don't even know that it came with that wheel size, originally.
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I have just checked the serial number, its: 47994

I dont know if this helps to determine the year. Regarding the model, is there a name for this?
I found this bike also in my country that its similar to mine, which makes me think that might be this same model.
Antigua Bicicleta Phillips Sport - $ 4.200,00 en MercadoLibre
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I don't know what Phillips called that model; Raleigh called their version the Clubman, and most people nowadays seem to call that kind of sporty British bike a "club bicycle." Though it could conceivably be a bit older, it's probably from the end of the 1940s or very early 1950s. It looks like it'd be a lot of fun to ride, with those relaxed angles -- quite a bit slacker than my Raleigh Clubman, I think.

That blue bike does look like the right one -- those big drop handlebars would be difficult to find, I'd reckon, but they're probably out there somewhere.

I'm not aware of any Phillips serial number lists -- anyone?
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Old 06-22-14, 07:29 PM
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Thanks a lot Brianinc!
Yeah it´s a lot of fun to ride, super slick bike

The guy that sold me the bike said something as Phillips Sports Master, but i could find that on the internet. Too bad!
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I'm not sure this was really a "clubman" style bicycle. For instance, the crimped front fork ends would indicate it isn't a high-end bicycle of the period and, while not always the case, most clubman style bicycles of that era had the fender stay mounts midway up the front fork and seat stays. Still, I find this an interesting old bicycle and a nice example of the bicycles they were producing in Birmingham during that period.
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Originally Posted by photogravity View Post
I'm not sure this was really a "clubman" style bicycle. For instance, the crimped front fork ends would indicate it isn't a high-end bicycle of the period and, while not always the case, most clubman style bicycles of that era had the fender stay mounts midway up the front fork and seat stays. Still, I find this an interesting old bicycle and a nice example of the bicycles they were producing in Birmingham during that period.
Good points. If it's neither a club bike, nor a "Sports" bike (i.e., light roadster), nor a path racer (i.e., track bike), what would it be called?
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Good points. If it's neither a club bike, nor a "Sports" bike (i.e., light roadster), nor a path racer (i.e., track bike), what would it be called?
Like you, I too am not really sure what it would be called. Admittedly, I'm not very familiar with Phillips specifically, but I'm pretty familiar with Hercules and this is very similar to Hercules bicycles of this era. I would say that this was most likely a light roadster that had the original mudguards and chainguard removed and the shorty fenders installed. Remember that these old bicycles had tons of room to run either 27" or 26" (EA3) wheels and some markets used different size wheels than were used in the USA or England. Since this specific bicycle is from Argentina, I am of the opinion that the wheels are original to the bicycle - they certainly appear period correct.
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Sounds plausible. By the way, photogravity, I like your signature.
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