Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

I must be OLD!!!

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

I must be OLD!!!

Old 06-22-14, 08:05 PM
  #1  
U5512
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 42
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I must be OLD!!!

I just don't dig the modern styling of road bikes such as this Trek, but to each his own I guess...



U5512 is offline  
Old 06-22-14, 08:06 PM
  #2  
Michael Angelo 
Senior Member
 
Michael Angelo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Hurricane Alley , Florida
Posts: 3,909

Bikes: Treks (USA), Schwinn Paramount, Schwinn letour,Raleigh Team Professional, Gazelle GoldLine Racing, 2 Super Mondias, Carlton Professional.

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 77 Post(s)
Liked 23 Times in 20 Posts
It's the latest craze here in South Florida.
Michael Angelo is offline  
Old 06-22-14, 08:17 PM
  #3  
Velognome 
Get off my lawn!
 
Velognome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: The Garden State
Posts: 6,253

Bikes: 1917 Loomis, 1923 Rudge, 1930 Hercules Renown, 1947 Mclean, 1948 JA Holland, 1955 Hetchins, 1957 Carlton Flyer, 1962 Raleigh Sport, 1978&81 Raleigh Gomp GS', 2010 Raliegh Clubman

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 93 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 87 Times in 44 Posts
Even worse is the sound they make
Velognome is offline  
Old 06-22-14, 08:19 PM
  #4  
Michael Angelo 
Senior Member
 
Michael Angelo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Hurricane Alley , Florida
Posts: 3,909

Bikes: Treks (USA), Schwinn Paramount, Schwinn letour,Raleigh Team Professional, Gazelle GoldLine Racing, 2 Super Mondias, Carlton Professional.

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 77 Post(s)
Liked 23 Times in 20 Posts
The ones around here all have $$$$$ Carbon wheels. So when the wanabe "fast" racer wants to stop all you hear is a horrible scrapping sound.
Michael Angelo is offline  
Old 06-22-14, 08:24 PM
  #5  
sloar 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Elwood Indiana
Posts: 7,260

Bikes: they change so much I'm tired of updating this

Mentioned: 161 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1108 Post(s)
Liked 805 Times in 320 Posts
I had one back when I races triathlons. Really didn't care for the looks, but it was crazy fast.
__________________
Semper fi
sloar is offline  
Old 06-22-14, 09:28 PM
  #6  
shipwreck
Senior Member
 
shipwreck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,476
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 140 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts
Most of the guys I know who own one of those are the type who don't know how to patch a tube. Or change it. There are probably exceptions and I shouldn't generalize...

However, I did a local century ride with a lot of super competitive types, and three hours in I was enjoying a leisurely 14mph or so on a lonely stretch of road, when I heard this buzzing humming sound. A guy just blasted buy on my left like nobody's business. Don't know if it was him, but someone finished the 5600 feet of climbing 100 mile ride in the 104 F August ride in a little over three hours! They did it on a bike very much like that. That's neat and all, but I have come in from century rides will crap I bought at yard sales on the rack... There's no way I could bring home a sewing machine on one of these, so I guess I don't need one
shipwreck is offline  
Old 06-22-14, 09:44 PM
  #7  
John E
feros ferio
 
John E's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: www.ci.encinitas.ca.us
Posts: 21,277

Bikes: 1959 Capo Modell Campagnolo; 1960 Capo Sieger (2); 1962 Carlton Franco Suisse; 1970 Peugeot UO-8; 1982 Bianchi Campione d'Italia; 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10;

Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1245 Post(s)
Liked 899 Times in 607 Posts
I am sure it has weight and aerodynamics advantages over anything most of us ride, but the aesthetics would indeed be an acquired taste.
__________________
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
John E is offline  
Old 06-22-14, 09:47 PM
  #8  
mapleleafs-13 
Senior Member
 
mapleleafs-13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Toronto
Posts: 1,814

Bikes: Pinarello Veneto, Pinarello Montello, Bianchi Celeste

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 25 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
they make you more:






1 inch tubed bikes have tons of drag right?!?!
mapleleafs-13 is offline  
Old 06-23-14, 05:25 AM
  #9  
rootboy 
Senior Member
 
rootboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Wherever
Posts: 16,755
Mentioned: 90 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 554 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 124 Times in 73 Posts
The bicycle isn't dead. It just smells funny.
rootboy is offline  
Old 06-23-14, 05:31 AM
  #10  
auchencrow
Senior Member
 
auchencrow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Detroit
Posts: 10,327
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 27 Times in 23 Posts
Boy oh boy, @U5512 : After seeing that I'll never look at a Trek the same way again.
__________________
- Auchen
auchencrow is offline  
Old 06-23-14, 05:32 AM
  #11  
Bikedued
Senior Member
 
Bikedued's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 10,982
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 159 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 25 Times in 20 Posts
That seatpost is WAY too low.,,,,BD
__________________
So many bikes, so little dime.
Bikedued is offline  
Old 06-23-14, 05:58 AM
  #12  
iab
Senior Member
 
iab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NW Burbs, Chicago
Posts: 11,572
Mentioned: 186 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2651 Post(s)
Liked 2,677 Times in 1,067 Posts
Originally Posted by mapleleafs-13 View Post

1 inch tubed bikes have tons of drag right?!?!
Yes.

Enough to lose a race.

But by all means, let's all keep on bashing modern bikes.
iab is offline  
Old 06-23-14, 06:03 AM
  #13  
auchencrow
Senior Member
 
auchencrow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Detroit
Posts: 10,327
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 27 Times in 23 Posts
Originally Posted by iab View Post
...

But by all means, let's all keep on bashing modern bikes.
It's a dirty job, but someone has to do it !
__________________
- Auchen
auchencrow is offline  
Old 06-23-14, 06:07 AM
  #14  
RobbieTunes 
Banned.
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 27,297
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 378 Post(s)
Liked 1,395 Times in 902 Posts
Above a certain speed, something like 18.5, the effect of drag increases almost exponentially, so the rider's position, helmet, attire, and THEN the bike makes a difference, with the wheels being almost an equal factor due to turbulence.

Below 18.5, don't worry about it. Climbing, don't worry about it.

Above 18.5, to about 20, ride the drops, and you're about even.

Above 20, for distance over 20 miles, there are advantages to the position and aero, for the extra tons of money.

Weight is simply not much of a factor, even climbing, but it's a heck of a selling point, and for competitions like the TdF, where 2,300 kilometers comes down to minutes, sure.

That Trek, however, offers no advantage at all in the way it's set up.

The plastic fantastics have their koolaid, and we have ours. In 30 years of Ironman competitions, how many have been won because the bike is faster? None. How many have even been close? None. I have yet to see a guy say, "well, he had me on the swim, and he's faster on the run, but boy, my bike was so much more aero, that was the difference it took for me to win." I've never even seen a sprint triathlon come down to the wire.

Still, they're cool. A little over 3 hours for a climbing 100? I hope he got into a pro support car at the end, because that's National Crit champion speed. Tri-bikes generally are poor climbers due to geometry, and I've spent a lot of time out-climbing tri-bikes, getting passed on the flats, out-climbing them again, like a miles-long game of leapfrog. The trick there is to continually charge the hills, hope your quads outlast theirs, because if you can get the other guy to cramp, you win. If not, you'll probably get smoked. Been there. It's still fun to ride behind a guy on one of those Shiv's, his cadence rarely below 89 or above 91, watch the chain dance, watch the athlete in him simply provide power to get from point A to point B. Happened to me last weekend, and I enjoyed it. For him, just a long workout, with company. For me, it was "darn, how many miles to go?"

I'll race an Olympic distance tri next weekend, and I'll walk down a ton of riders on my road bike, but by the 3/4 mark, I'll hear the whir and thump of the tucked-in pocket rockets going by once in a while. The next day, I'll go and do a pleasant 40 on the same bike. Most of them won't. The bike, for them, is workout gear. Whole different approach to wheeling down the road. Viva la difference, and glad for those guys, and the cruizers, as well.
__________________

BLDMAMTAOLD



Last edited by RobbieTunes; 06-23-14 at 06:10 AM.
RobbieTunes is offline  
Old 06-23-14, 06:07 AM
  #15  
SJX426 
Senior Member
 
SJX426's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Fredericksburg, Va
Posts: 9,047

Bikes: '73 Bottecchia Giro d'Italia, '83 Colnago Superissimo, '84 Trek 610, '84 Trek 760, '88 Pinarello Veneto, '88 De Rosa Pro, '89 Pinarello Montello, '94 Burley Duet, 97 Specialized RockHopper, 2010 Langster, Tern Link D8

Mentioned: 65 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1404 Post(s)
Liked 1,694 Times in 864 Posts
Tomorrows classic, if it can survive.
SJX426 is offline  
Old 06-23-14, 06:12 AM
  #16  
iab
Senior Member
 
iab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NW Burbs, Chicago
Posts: 11,572
Mentioned: 186 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2651 Post(s)
Liked 2,677 Times in 1,067 Posts
Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
In 30 years of Ironman competitions, how many have been won because the bike is faster? None.
Please show 1 example of an elite triathlete winning without an aero bike.
iab is offline  
Old 06-23-14, 06:18 AM
  #17  
RobbieTunes 
Banned.
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 27,297
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 378 Post(s)
Liked 1,395 Times in 902 Posts
The first time a triathlete loses, in any way, to another triathlete with a "faster" bike, the hook is set. I know a girl who had to choose between a stove and a set of Zipps. Married, 2 kids. The stove sat for months, she raced on the Zipps. Did she win more? No. Was she happy? Sure. Her husband rides a Tourmalet, Reynolds 853. I guess they don't cook much.

A metric century this weekend, very hot, very humid, with a thunderstorm the night before. Only one steel bike: a Merckx MX Leader.

I left my steel home, on purpose, and my carbon bike was filthy when we were done. I'm at the point where I just don't need to abuse what chrome stuff I have left.
__________________

BLDMAMTAOLD


RobbieTunes is offline  
Old 06-23-14, 06:18 AM
  #18  
modelmartin
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Minneapols, Minnesota
Posts: 538

Bikes: 89 Raleigh Technium PRE, 92 SP 1000 ti, '09 Team Pro, 72 International, 63 Hercules 3-spd, '81 Vitus 979, 2 Kabuki Submariners, 2 C. Itoh Submariners, Gary Fisher Big Sur, Skyway 3-spd, Robin Hood w/ S-A IGH 5 speed.

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by shipwreck View Post
but someone finished the 5600 feet of climbing 100 mile ride in the 104 F August ride in a little over three hours!

That is over 30 miles an hour! seriously? With that much climbing?
modelmartin is offline  
Old 06-23-14, 06:34 AM
  #19  
RobbieTunes 
Banned.
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 27,297
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 378 Post(s)
Liked 1,395 Times in 902 Posts
Originally Posted by iab View Post
Please show 1 example of an elite triathlete winning without an aero bike.
Well, Dave Scott, year 1, maybe. That's not my point, but we've had several triathlons here, where the same guy wins on a steel Brew; he's just wicked fast, but he's not elite. He just wins by several minutes because he's first out of the water, top 2 or 3 on the bike, and runs like a banshee. He also used to win in Norfolk, on the Brew, where there were tons of carbon aero bikes.

All the elite triathletes absolutely have to have an aero bike; they can't afford not to. They level the playing field among the elite triathletes, but my opinion is that none of them win because the bike is faster-they are all on aero bikes, aero helmets, aero shoes. I don't think any of them get off their Project One after losing by 3 minutes and say "I should have had a Shiv." Triathlon legs are simply time trials, and they don't want to waste any effort or give up any to drag, if they can help it. They may rationalize it by saying "I want this advantage," but the truth is, IMO, they really just "don't want a disadvantage."

In 1986 and 1987, a friend of mine saw aero bars in some magazine, and had a guy make him some out of aluminum stock tubing. We bolted them right to the bars, no arm rests, just bars. He won the state TT championship both of those years. In 1986, there were maybe 2 guys with aero bars, in 1987, half the field. By 1988, everyone had them, because everyone was afraid NOT to have them. He didn't win in 1988, but it wasn't because of the bike.

That's evolved into what they're racing on now. The athletes simply want to eliminate the bike as a factor in not being fast. All of them know the engine is the main thing, but none of them want to think they lost because the other person had a faster bike. That's a risk they won't take. Aero bikes, for the most part, eliminate that risk as much as the owner can afford.

It's just like wearing track spikes. You don't want to lose to a guy who chose 1/2" spikes when you wore 1/4" spikes; at least, you don't want to think you could have beaten him with 1/2" spikes and failed to wear them.

Same thing with aero tri-bikes, with the added "gadget factor" that I must admit, I find hard to resist.
__________________

BLDMAMTAOLD



Last edited by RobbieTunes; 06-23-14 at 06:43 AM.
RobbieTunes is offline  
Old 06-23-14, 06:47 AM
  #20  
rootboy 
Senior Member
 
rootboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Wherever
Posts: 16,755
Mentioned: 90 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 554 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 124 Times in 73 Posts
"Aerodynamics is for people who can't build engines"

Enzo Ferrari

)with a wink(:
rootboy is offline  
Old 06-23-14, 06:50 AM
  #21  
linnefaulk
Senior Member
 
linnefaulk's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: florida
Posts: 1,844

Bikes: 1990 Trek 820, 1995 Trek 1220

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked 8 Times in 6 Posts
My casual pace would look ridiculous on something like that.
linnefaulk is offline  
Old 06-23-14, 06:52 AM
  #22  
RobbieTunes 
Banned.
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 27,297
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 378 Post(s)
Liked 1,395 Times in 902 Posts
Originally Posted by linnefaulk View Post
My casual pace would look ridiculous on something like that.
Mine does, on this, as well. I like aero bikes, but steel still bakes my cookies. I guess I just like lots of different flavors of Koolaid.
__________________

BLDMAMTAOLD


RobbieTunes is offline  
Old 06-23-14, 07:03 AM
  #23  
rootboy 
Senior Member
 
rootboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Wherever
Posts: 16,755
Mentioned: 90 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 554 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 124 Times in 73 Posts
I have to admit, as bicycles, those two just shown don't do a thing for me. But that is neither here nor there. I'm old fashioned.
But as works of design, I think they're beautiful. 2 cents, or less.
rootboy is offline  
Old 06-23-14, 07:15 AM
  #24  
Dave Cutter
Senior Member
 
Dave Cutter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: D'uh... I am a Cutter
Posts: 6,159

Bikes: '17 Access Old Turnpike Gravel bike, '14 Trek 1.1, '13 Cannondale CAAD 10, '98 CAD 2, R300

Mentioned: 62 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1571 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts
Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
...... All the elite triathletes absolutely have to have an aero bike; they can't afford not to. They level the playing field among the elite triathletes, but my opinion is that none of them win because the bike is faster-they are all on aero bikes, aero helmets, aero shoes. I don't think any of them get off their Project One after losing by 3 minutes and say "I should have had a Shiv." Triathlon legs are simply time trials, and they don't want to waste any effort or give up any to drag, if they can help it. They may rationalize it by saying "I want this advantage," but the truth is, IMO, they really just "don't want a disadvantage."
Yep... special equipment for specialized racing! But I also see those bikes on the MUPs on the weekends under [other] fat old men... with deep pockets. For many... these bicycles have become the corvette of the bicycle world. A heck of a lot worse things could be done to feel good about yourself while pasting through mid-life.

Bicycles are a mature technology. CF frames, 11 cogs, electric shifters, Bluetooth bio sensors, cycling glasses with heads-up displays.... fractional advantages for the highly competitive cyclist. Increased earning for a competitive manufacturing industry. I am not sure much of the "race technology" filters down to benefit the bicycle user-base much.

Fortunately... rock-solid, dependable, lightweight bicycles (made of various materials) are everywhere. For anyone alive at the time of this post, bicycles are ubiquitous. Although this ancient (really old?) technology will certainly (sooner or later) be replaced with some new improved transportation that... I can't imagine. Bicycles will be everywhere as they are today.... for another generation.
Dave Cutter is offline  
Old 06-23-14, 07:34 AM
  #25  
daf1009
Senior Member
 
daf1009's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Alpharetta, GA
Posts: 3,178

Bikes: LESS than I did a year ago!

Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 70 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by shipwreck View Post

However, I did a local century ride with a lot of super competitive types, and three hours in I was enjoying a leisurely 14mph or so on a lonely stretch of road, when I heard this buzzing humming sound. A guy just blasted buy on my left like nobody's business. Don't know if it was him, but someone finished the 5600 feet of climbing 100 mile ride in the 104 F August ride in a little over three hours! They did it on a bike very much like that. That's neat and all, but I have come in from century rides will crap I bought at yard sales on the rack... There's no way I could bring home a sewing machine on one of these, so I guess I don't need one
Sorry shipwreck....I do not buy the speed on that century...that is Sprint finish speed for a climbing century!
daf1009 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.