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Old 02-13-16, 08:23 AM
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Amazing price difference.. There's a segment courtesy of mombat.org
Curios as to country of origin on the KOM
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I'm wishing I lived in LA right now so I could join the Cimarron club on the cheap.

[h=2]Schwinn 5spd bike - $100[/h]https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lg...418009277.html


Men's 5spd Schwinn bike in great condition. $100 Needs a front tube.
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Originally Posted by wrk101
Several brands top of the line MTB in the late 1980s/early 1990s, came with Prestige frames. Very desirable, as the top models tended to have very low sales. I have a 1991 Fuji Professional MTB with a Prestige frame.

Avion was a Klein design, precursor to the 4xx, 5xx, etc series bikes that Schwinn came out with. IMHO, it was the nicest of the Klein design Schwinns. Also hard to find, although sellers and buyers alike usually do not recognize the value, so you can sometimes find a deal on them.

Price list also does not list the Prologue, second in line that year (although didn't make the catalog printing).

1988 was the 50th anniversary Paramount, so you bet, they were making them that year.
I'm just very surprised such a light tubing was used on a mountain bike. But maybe the tubing was just as strong (better metallurgy). I have yet to see an Avion for sale.

Yeah I have the Prologue which was sort of a grail bike for me yet after getting into road bikes with an el cheapo LeTour, the Prologue was actually my first ebay find and fairly inexpensive! Some regard it as high as the Paramount because of the Prestige frameset, just depends how the rest was configured since as you say only a frameset. Mine came with Suntour Sprint, good enough for me (though I am debating modernizing it with 10 speed cassette, and using it as my go fast bike). I have a Circuit frameset on the back burner, might put the Sprint group on it since I believe it actually came with that in its first year, later came with Sante. The Prologue has been said to be a steal compared to the Paramount frame by those familiar with it, as it's nearly half the price. Apparently they were really proud of the Paramount and it got most the glory of course. We're getting OT though!

I only included the first page on the price list since it had the all terrains, but since you brought up the Paramount (incl the special anniversary edition) and Prologue, I'll throw up page 2...



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I saw bconneraz's original posts in '14 and wondered where they got that dual kickstand! I have a Nu-vo on Tempest and my new Rollfast Rosa ought to have one as well.
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I've replaced the saddle and added some handle bar ends since this picture. I got it late last fall with just a couple short rides before the snows and still need to replace the rear rack and add a front one. Can't wait till spring to ride it some more. It's a 1985.

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Originally Posted by Clang
I'm wishing I lived in LA right now so I could join the Cimarron club on the cheap.

Schwinn 5spd bike - $100

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lg...418009277.html


Men's 5spd Schwinn bike in great condition. $100 Needs a front tube.
Finally joined the Cimarron club I was down in LA for the weekend to visit family, and I was able to grab this one thanks to the lead from Clang.

From the head badge, it looks to be 87 model, "1897", July 8, 1987 to be precise, if I am deciphering it correctly. It is going to need a lot of work. I am seeing rust in quite few spots where the paint has been scratched up especially in the chainstay. It will probably need an "OA bath", but I have never done it, so I will need to look into that. Any pointers to OA bath will be greatly appreciated.

Although it came with full XT components, they are pretty banged up too It is size 21". The 18" size would probably fit me better, but it should be manageable.

Here are some photos after I picked it up, before any cleaning. The handlebar, seat and chain need to go asap.



I am debating about trying to get it to stock (would anyone know what bar was standard on 87?), or just go the trekking bar route to use as commuter.
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What handlebar and seats came with '87?
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Originally Posted by BigSung
What handlebar and seats came with '87?
Stem: Nitto MT-5, forged aluminum, internal cable stop, 22.2mm, black
Handlebar: Nitto aluminum, 50mm rise, 685mm width
Saddle: Selle San Marco Mountain Pro, black leather

The original saddles turn up on ebay from time to time: https://www.ebay.com/itm/272014693561

Unfortunately the original stems and handlebars are much harder to find.
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Originally Posted by Metacortex
Stem: Nitto MT-5, forged aluminum, internal cable stop, 22.2mm, black
Handlebar: Nitto aluminum, 50mm rise, 685mm width
Saddle: Selle San Marco Mountain Pro, black leather

The original saddles turn up on ebay from time to time: Vtg Selle San Marco Mountain Pro Bicycle Saddle Made in Italy Black | eBay

Unfortunately the original stems and handlebars are much harder to find.
Thanks for the info and quick reply.
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Originally Posted by BigSung
Finally joined the Cimarron club I was down in LA for the weekend to visit family, and I was able to grab this one thanks to the lead from Clang.

From the head badge, it looks to be 87 model, "1897", July 8, 1987 to be precise, if I am deciphering it correctly. It is going to need a lot of work. I am seeing rust in quite few spots where the paint has been scratched up especially in the chainstay. It will probably need an "OA bath", but I have never done it, so I will need to look into that. Any pointers to OA bath will be greatly appreciated.

Although it came with full XT components, they are pretty banged up too It is size 21". The 18" size would probably fit me better, but it should be manageable.

Here are some photos after I picked it up, before any cleaning. The handlebar, seat and chain need to go asap.



I am debating about trying to get it to stock (would anyone know what bar was standard on 87?), or just go the trekking bar route to use as commuter.
Super Score!!!

Regarding bringing the bike back to stock- what will inspire you to ride it the most? If flat (or riser) bars are good for you- by all means, go for it- it'll be cool. If you think drop bars or a dirt drop would be cool- it would! So would trekking bars!

So many cool things about that bike and the parts on there. Congratulations!

I drop barred my High Sierra, it's still not as inspiring as I feel it should be- I got a trekking bar and some parts- so one of these days I'll get that up on the stand.
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Originally Posted by The Golden Boy
Super Score!!!

Regarding bringing the bike back to stock- what will inspire you to ride it the most? If flat (or riser) bars are good for you- by all means, go for it- it'll be cool. If you think drop bars or a dirt drop would be cool- it would! So would trekking bars!

So many cool things about that bike and the parts on there. Congratulations!

I drop barred my High Sierra, it's still not as inspiring as I feel it should be- I got a trekking bar and some parts- so one of these days I'll get that up on the stand.
The frame is a tad bit big for me. It has 23 inch ETT and 31.5 inch standover. The 18" frame would fit me much better. Due to the size, conversion to drop bar will not work; therefore, I am leaning towards either a trekking bar or stock bar. I have a trekking bar on my current commuter that also has 23 in ETT with 90mm 35 deg riser, and that has worked out really good.

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+1 I put North Roads on my too big for me 1990 Schwinn Sierra. Lots of options to lessen impact of TT length.

As I recall, the 1990 Sierra had a TT that was one inch longer than my same size Cimarron.
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Originally Posted by wrk101
+1 I put North Roads on my too big for me 1990 Schwinn Sierra. Lots of options to lessen impact of TT length.

As I recall, the 1990 Sierra had a TT that was one inch longer than my same size Cimarron.
Thanks, that is definitely another option.
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Originally Posted by BigSung
The frame is a tad bit big for me. It has 23 inch ETT and 31.5 inch standover. The 18" frame would fit me much better. Due to the size, conversion to drop bar will not work; therefore, I am leaning towards either a trekking bar or stock bar. I have a trekking bar on my current commuter that also has 23 in ETT with 90mm 35 deg riser, and that has worked out really good.

I've wanted to do a trekking bar for a long time. I finally got around to getting a setup, but the stem I had planned on using isn't quite fitting it as... safely as I'd like it to.

Your setup looks really cool, with those grips- I'll probably be sending you a PM for advice on my H.S.
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Originally Posted by The Golden Boy
I've wanted to do a trekking bar for a long time. I finally got around to getting a setup, but the stem I had planned on using isn't quite fitting it as... safely as I'd like it to.

Your setup looks really cool, with those grips- I'll probably be sending you a PM for advice on my H.S.
PM sent with info. Let me know if you need any other information.
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Originally Posted by BigSung
PM sent with info. Let me know if you need any other information.
Awesome!

Responded!

Thank you!
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Originally Posted by The Golden Boy
I've wanted to do a trekking bar for a long time. I finally got around to getting a setup, but the stem I had planned on using isn't quite fitting it as... safely as I'd like it to.

Your setup looks really cool, with those grips- I'll probably be sending you a PM for advice on my H.S.
OT warning, but PM won't allow me to post picture unless I host it on a website plus the trekking setup might be moved over to the Cimarron.

Here's a pic from the front so you can see the cable routing on my trekking bar setup. It's a bit difficult to see the routing due to the front bag mount, but the shifter cables are routed above the stem, and brake cables are under the stem. I haven't trimmed the cable housing yet especially the front brake cable as I am in the process of moving things around between frames, and there is a possibility that the trekking bar will be moved to another frame.


I think the biggest thing to figure out on the trekking bar initially is to figure out which side will go up. You want the part that holds the grips/brake levers/shifters to be about an inch lower than the front part so that the curved part has a gentle rise. After playing around with the height, my handlebar portion is level with where the stem holds the trekking bar. You can see in the first photo below.


As I mentioned in the PM, I had to cut/trim the Ergon GP1 (sz. L) about 0.75 inch due to the bend of the trekking bar and have enough space to install both the brake levers and shifters. I thought about just wrapping the bar and not use the Ergon grips. Even thought about just installing a rubber grip, but Ergon grips makes it so comfortable and it is well worth it in my opinion. I normally don't use Ergon grips on my mountain bikes, but on a trekking bar, it is just awesome. I would highly recommend it.
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Originally Posted by BigSung
The frame is a tad bit big for me. It has 23 inch ETT and 31.5 inch standover. The 18" frame would fit me much better. Due to the size, conversion to drop bar will not work; therefore, I am leaning towards either a trekking bar or stock bar. I have a trekking bar on my current commuter that also has 23 in ETT with 90mm 35 deg riser, and that has worked out really good.

BigSung - thanks for posting your trekking bar info. A dumb question but do they come in different diameters to handle road vs. mountain brake levers? I've never given them enough thought to realize they could work like you have them set up with the mountain controls and Ergons. What brand of bars do you have?

This is how I currently have my Cimarron set up but the bar ends don't have much bar surface to clamp on since I can't slide anything inward anymore. I may now consider a trekking set up.
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BigSung - thanks for posting your trekking bar info. A dumb question but do they come in different diameters to handle road vs. mountain brake levers? I've never given them enough thought to realize they could work like you have them set up with the mountain controls and Ergons. What brand of bars do you have?

This is how I currently have my Cimarron set up but the bar ends don't have much bar surface to clamp on since I can't slide anything inward anymore. I may now consider a trekking set up.
I believe the trekking bars has diameters to handle mountain brake and shift levers, 22.2mm. The clamp area is 25.4mm. The one that I am using is the Nashbar trekking bar. For some reason, they are out of stock at current time. I have been checking to pick up another one. I have noticed that they usually come out in a batch, and then when they are gone, it takes a bit of time to get them restocked. The other one that is available is the XLC Multi Functional Trekking bar that you can find on Amazon. I think they are pretty much same quality and size. I believe Niagara Cycles carries it as well. I think Niagara Cycles has more expensive trekking bar by Dimension, but I have found there is no reason to pay more for the Dimension.

I find that I actually get 4 positions with the trekking bars, and it really helps in controlling the cockpit especially on a longer ETT. The Ergon grips actually allows to be used on two positions, having the palm resting on the wider grips

One thing, if you do go the route of using trekking bars, you will need to trim/cut the Ergon grips. I really hesitated doing it. But now that I have it setup, I would highly recommend it. It will be well worth it.

Prior to the trekking bar, I was using 26" wide riser bar on my commuter. I have 28" wide bar on my MTB. I was a little concerned about the width, but I am finding no issues with it. I have taken the bike in tight singletracks, and it handled it very well.

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Timely revival of this thread for me. I have a stock 1985 that I have been amassing some parts to adjust it to what I want and I am about to un-stock it to use a Jones cut H-bar style on it. I have to trim the grips as well, I think, to get it all to fit, and good to hear I'm not the only one nervous about doing that.

So if anyone is looking for stock stem and bars from an 85, I could part with mine. Ditto that for some super wide esge silver fenders that came on it that fit great under the clearances on these with wide tires.
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QQ: For those of you not keeping it stock, are you keeping them 18 speed (3 x 6) or changing them to 21 speed (3 x 7) or even upgrading them to higher speed, ie. 27 speed? I haven't measured the rear spacing yet, but I am assuming changing the rear cassette from 6 speed to 7 speed should be minimal...just use 7 speed cassette and use the current rear derailleur. I have a lot of hills around my neighborhood, so I would like to put in a 34T cassette. As for shifters, I do have an extra deore xt 7 speed thumbies, so that should take care of it.

Note: it's an 87.

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QQ: For those of you not keeping it stock, are you keeping them 18 speed (3 x 6) or changing them to 21 speed (3 x 7) or even upgrading them to higher speed, ie. 27 speed? I haven't measured the rear spacing yet, but I am assuming changing the rear cassette from 6 speed to 7 speed should be minimal...just use 7 speed cassette and use the current rear derailleur. I have a lot of hills around my neighborhood, so I would like to put in a 34T cassette. As for shifters, I do have an extra deore xt 7 speed thumbies, so that should take care of it.
It depends. Mine has a rear spacing of 130mm (IIRC) and came as a 6 speed Uniglide cog set. I replaced the free hub body with a 7 speed hyperglide body and cassette.
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Quick progress update on the 87 Cimarron:

I had a window of time over the weekend, so I spent some time doing initial cleaning and swapping out the configuration. Here's a photo of how it looked when I picked it up:



Here are some photos of the progress:
- Quick wash done. I will be touching up paint and then waxing at a future time. After the wash, I can see that the paint is in decent shape other than the various scratches.
- replaced saddle with a saddle that came on another bike. It has Schwinn Approved tag at back. I think it's a perfect saddle for this bike.
- replaced stem with Kalloy stem that I had in my spare bin. I was going to keep the original stem, but the clamp area is smaller than 25.4mm.
- replaced BMX style handlebar with riser bar that I had in my spare bin...this is a temporary change as I will be going with trekking bar...thus I have not changed the cables and cable housing yet...and no grips yet
- replaced the rusted chain with a temporary chain...bent my pin on the chain tool while trying to insert some additional links



I was hoping to keep the tires, but I might have to change them out. It looks like I will need to check up on the bottom bracket. At least the bike is in rideable condition for now.
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Can anyone recommend a good matching touch up paint or even nail polish for 87 red Cimarron? If you have the specific color number, it would be greatly appreciated.
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