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Old 07-26-14, 06:18 AM
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1971 Peugeot U08 question

In late '71 I purchased a brand new Peugeot U08 and really liked the saddle. Does anyone know which model (EDIT) Ideale (not Selle) it was? The (EDIT) Ideale saddle I recall was very very comfortable and I'd like to try one as a replacement for my Brooks B17 that I feel is to large for me.

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Old 07-26-14, 06:31 AM
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I thought they used an Agda (sp?) saddle on the early 70's AO/UO-8s....did you get the dealer to change to a Selle for you (or did they ditch the Agda for a Selle?) I recall mine was not very comfortable so I did what I had read was a good way (it wasn't but I was young) and I beat the crap out of it with a ball peen hammer to soften it up.....
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Find an Ideale leather saddle; that would be cool for an old pug. Ideales can be hard to find though and Brooks are considered pretty good replacements.
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Old 07-26-14, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
Find an Ideale leather saddle; that would be cool for an old pug. Ideales can be hard to find though and Brooks are considered pretty good replacements.
Oh boy oh boy does my memory ever fail me. The original saddle may well have been an Ideale. Definitely not an Agda.

And my OP has been edited and THANKS for the information and correction! 8)

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I don't think they ever put an Ideale on a UO-8. A lot of people dislike the original AGDA. My girlfriend had one on her UO-8. I don't remember it being uncomfortable, but I didn't ride her bike much.
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Old 07-26-14, 08:09 AM
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The Ideale came with the original bike. And after viewing a page of photos for them, that was, indeed, the saddle that originally came with the bike. We're talkin' back in 1971 and I could swear that the Ideale (model 80) felt thinner than my Brooks B17 and NEVER gave me any discomfort. But, back then I weighed 50 pounds lighter!
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If you say so. I always thought that the AGDA Chatillonnaise 28A was original to those bikes.
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Old 07-26-14, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Grand Bois View Post
If you say so. I always thought that the AGDA Chatillonnaise 28A was original to those bikes.
The name, AGDA, does not at all ring a bell. Yet, its overall oval shaped logo certainly resembles the IDEALE. 8)
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Originally Posted by Grand Bois View Post
If you say so. I always thought that the AGDA Chatillonnaise 28A was original to those bikes.
Do you know, then, which saddle currently made fits like either the AGDA or IDEALE, narrower than the B17????
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1973 and later UO-8s definitely had AGDA saddles, but I believe some of the earlier ones came through with Ideale, but I unfortunately did not note the model. Have your considered either a Brooks B17N or a Brooks Pro (my all time favorite saddle)?
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Originally Posted by John E View Post
1973 and later UO-8s definitely had AGDA saddles, but I believe some of the earlier ones came through with Ideale, but I unfortunately did not note the model. Have your considered either a Brooks B17N or a Brooks Pro (my all time favorite saddle)?
Because my thick thighs chafe against the walls of the B17, the Swallow is looking good at this point. Compared to the IDEALE, the B17 walls flare out too much. I remember the IDEALE walls being perhaps much more vertically set and never chafing my thighs. And I appreciate your input.

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You might want to check out selle anatomica leather saddles. I have one and it thought it was pretty comfortable right out of the box which is not always the case with Brooks saddles.
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Old 07-26-14, 01:22 PM
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You might want to check out selle anatomica leather saddles. I have one and it thought it was pretty comfortable right out of the box which is not always the case with Brooks saddles.
Which model and you've ridden it for how many miles??
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Originally Posted by tjkoko View Post
Which model and you've ridden it for how many miles??
I don't know the number of miles I've ridden it but I ride it every day on my commuter; mine is the nsx series, NEW NSX Series | Selle Anatomica. They have really long rails so it is easy to get the right fore/aft adjustment.

The bike is a 1989 stumpjumper comp with drop bars:

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Greetings,
B-17's are great saddles when broken-in. Punch a hole at the bottom of each skirt, and tie the skirts together under the saddle with a zip-tie. It will look better, and no longer chafe your thighs.
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I believe the OEM saddles were BIM leather ones and they were narrow. You might want to try a B 17 Narrow to replace the B 17. It's about 25 mm narrower.
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My UO8, which I think was from 1972, had a (let's see if I remember) Norex (?), supposedly a lower model made by Ideale.
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Originally Posted by Grand Bois View Post
I don't think they ever put an Ideale on a UO-8. A lot of people dislike the original AGDA. My girlfriend had one on her UO-8. I don't remember it being uncomfortable, but I didn't ride her bike much.
Yeah, I bought my UO8 new in the Spring of 1976, came with the Ideale saddle. Still have it on the bike though the leather is extremely decomposed from sitting in the garage, it's hard to recognize.

BTW, been reading about serial numbers and trying to determine the build date. There don't seem to be any definitive answers about it. If it helps, mine is 2002800.
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Originally Posted by Grand Bois View Post
If you say so. I always thought that the AGDA Chatillonnaise 28A was original to those bikes.
I've certainly seen the AGDA on UO-8s as new, but I can't say they didn't sometimes use an Ideale. My recollection is that PX-10s sometimes came with Brooks Pro and sometimes with Ideale, probably 80 or a contemporary racing piece.
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Chances are the Peugeot build spec said something like this:

Saddle, for racing or cyclotouring, black, tensioned leather, standard width and length, standard single-rail attachment, with saddlebag lugs, price less than $.25 each at annual quantities 300,000 to 400,000 pieces. Product engineer to confirm quality of suppliers. (cost target to be adjusted for appropriate currency)

That would let them buy from whomever had the ability to supply a saddle in the requisite quantities, and to let a responsible company official decide which supplier could satisfy the quality goals within the price point. Remember Peugeot had a gigantic bicycle manufacturing facility, and built hundreds of thousands of these bikes and their siblings per year.
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Picked this up today from the original owner, she bought it new for college , it has been hanging in her shed for many years , trying to soften it up now with lots of conditioner and and zip ties , I know its nothing fancy , but I thought it would make a nice neighborhood crusier as is , not even sure what year it is , is it a 71-72
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Originally Posted by texastwister View Post
Picked this up today from the original owner, she bought it new for college ... not even sure what year it is , is it a 71-72
I believe I think I remember I bought mine in '72, and it did not come with "safety levers". However they were definitely the rage in the year or two following, IIRC.

That's a nice looking bike. I always really liked that metallic blue.
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Originally Posted by tjkoko View Post
Do you know, then, which saddle currently made fits like either the AGDA or IDEALE, narrower than the B17????
Brooks "Professional" is a little narrower than the B-17 and still in production.
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Originally Posted by jimmuller View Post
I believe I think I remember I bought mine in '72, and it did not come with "safety levers". However they were definitely the rage in the year or two following, IIRC....
Mine, purchased in late '71, came without those safety levers.
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My UO-8, which I've owned since purchased new in May of 1972, is equipped with an ADGA saddle.
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