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Old 08-06-14, 08:53 AM
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Question about Super Record high flange hubs

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How do Super Record high flange hubs differ from Super Record track hubs? Is it only; bolt-on solid axles and single cog? I have these I just polished and may want to put together a track bike (have never owned one)

(-- saw these axles on ebay --)

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There are two --no, three-- differences in the hub shell.

First, a track hub has a double thread-- a larger thread for the cog (it is the same thread as a freewheel), and a smaller, left hand thread, for the lock ring. You can put a freewheel on a track hub, and you can put a track cog on a freewheel hub, but you cannot put a track lockring on a freewheel hub.

Second, on the Campy Record large flange track hubs I've seen, the left (non-drive side) flange was on the outside of the bearings, like on a front hub; on the corresponding freewheel hubs, the flange is on the inside of the bearings. This photo shows it rather poorly...



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Also no oil ports on track hubs.
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Originally Posted by rhm View Post
There are two differences in the hub shell.

First, a track hub has a double thread-- a larger thread for the cog (it is the same thread as a freewheel), and a smaller, left hand thread, for the lock ring. You can put a freewheel on a track hub, and you can put a track cog on a freewheel hub, but you cannot put a track lockring on a freewheel hub.

Second, on the Campy Record large flange track hubs I've seen, the left (non-drive side) flange was on the outside of the bearings, like on a front hub; on the corresponding freewheel hubs, the flange is on the inside of the bearings. This photo shows it rather poorly...

Ok, so that answers that. Guess will sell my hubs.

Thank you very much, rhm

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Originally Posted by MarkusForest View Post
Ok, so that answers that. Guess will sell my hubs.

Thank you very much, rhm

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rhm is correct. He was polite and did not knock your description of "Super Record" hubs.
As he wrote those are Record. Even back in the day they were referred to as Nuovo Record by most.
Super Record was a tier of hub that made it into the catalog but not series production, they were to have ti axles.
Titanium proved to be the wrong material for a direct material exchange so they never were produced in series.
Allegedly their prototypes out there, but no one has shown me an image yet.
Other small shops made ti axles, but they do not have the Campagnolo stampings.

Sellers on ebay often still do describe Record hubs as Super Record, but they are misinformed or misleading.
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
rhm is correct. He was polite ....

I did actually write a bit questioning the 'super' thing, but deleted it as superfluous.
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
rhm is correct. He was polite and did not knock your description of "Super Record" hubs.
As he wrote those are Record. Even back in the day they were referred to as Nuovo Record by most.
Super Record was a tier of hub that made it into the catalog but not series production, they were to have ti axles.
Titanium proved to be the wrong material for a direct material exchange so they never were produced in series.
Allegedly their prototypes out there, but no one has shown me an image yet.
Other small shops made ti axles, but they do not have the Campagnolo stampings.

Sellers on ebay often still do describe Record hubs as Super Record, but they are misinformed or misleading.
I really do appreciate and thank you for this. I learned something today!
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Also no oil ports on track hubs.
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But I think the OP forgot his question..... can he put those solid axles in his hubs. I believe you can however you will be lacking the proper lock ring to run a FG. A SS using a BNX FW should be no problem

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How do Super Record high flange hubs differ from Super Record track hubs? Is it only; bolt-on solid axles and single cog? I have these I just polished and may want to put together a track bike (have never owned one)

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Originally Posted by jeirvine View Post
Also no oil ports on track hubs.
ok, great. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
But I think the OP forgot his question..... can he put those solid axles in his hubs. I believe you can however you will be lacking the proper lock ring to run a FG. A SS using a BNX FW should be no problem
Thank you BG, but the first answer sorta killed the idea. I will sell these and find the real deal.

What a great Forum we all have here. I ask naive question and get great replies that are not condescending.

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Originally Posted by MarkusForest View Post

What a great Forum we all have here. I ask naive question and get great replies that are not condescending.

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Here here, Markus. That's one of the great things about this place. Don't get me started on the CR list….

Anyway, those sure are beautiful hubs you have. Look almost new! Please consider offering them to Melanie for her new Frejus ladies bike. I know she's looking for a set. I think her user name is Mile_mel? Have to check that and will edit if I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by rootboy View Post
Here here, Markus. That's one of the great things about this place. Don't get me started on the CR list….

Anyway, those sure are beautiful hubs you have. Look almost new! Please consider offering them to Melanie for her new Frejus ladies bike. I know she's looking for a set. I think her user name is Mile_mel? Have to check that and will edit if I'm wrong.
Thanks for this, but I have someone in town here that I am loyal to. He buys anything Campy that is in really good condition. Will ask him first.

I have Legnano branded high flange hubs that i recently polished. Considering the connection between Legnano and Frejus might be a good fit. // cc @Mlle_Mel
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Originally Posted by jeirvine View Post
Also no oil ports on track hubs.
Also, the non-drive side flange is located further outboard than on the road hub:



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Here here, Markus. That's one of the great things about this place. Don't get me started on the CR list….

Anyway, those sure are beautiful hubs you have. Look almost new! Please consider offering them to Melanie for her new Frejus ladies bike. I know she's looking for a set. I think her user name is Mile_mel? Have to check that and will edit if I'm wrong.
Thanks rootboy and Sir_Name! My goodness, those are spectacular! I actually scooped up a set of nuovo tipo hubs yesterday for (what I think was) a pretty good price. Not nearly as lovely as your hubs, MarcusForest, but good enough for now. Thanks for thinking of me, guys! I agree that this forum is full of wonderful folks happy to help those of us (ME!) who are new enthusiasts and don't have quite as firm a grasp on all the tiny vintage cycling details one encounters. Thanks to all who share your expertise, and thanks to all who help others on their quests! Wish me luck on my wheel building adventure (ha).

Edit: Oh wait, is the picture from an eBay post? Sorry if I was confused before. Thanks also MarcusForest for the Legnano hub offer! Before yesterday, I might have taken you up on that.
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