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Old 08-25-14, 03:49 AM
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Faggin Tubes and ages

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I have a chance to buy a Faggin frame. Looks oldish, it has brazed loops under the BB to guide the gear cables, not a plastic stick on thing. Anyone know about what tubes they used to use? The lugs have the F cutout, it has braze ons for the shifters and a mech hanger on the rear dropouts. Seems like a good price, so I think I'm going to get it. The only disadvantage is that it's in very unoriginal finish!
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Old 08-25-14, 05:53 AM
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I had a mid-80s Faggin that was built with Columbus TreTubi.
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Show us picture! faggins were built of all Columbus (SL mainly) tre-tubi (3 main tubes of SL, remainder something cheaper), or Columbus Aelle. The seat post size will be a good clue. Cost (and resale value) may vary, but workmanship was always high and the ride will be excellent regardless of tubing used.
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Old 08-26-14, 12:06 AM
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Thank you Think and Unworthy, I'll post pics after it's in my sweaty little paws... I have no wish to 'Murray Walker' it!
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The only disadvantage is that it's in very unoriginal finish!
I wonder how many Faggins fell to the spray can as a result of homophobia. They did have some wild paint schemes, and some nice frame details. If you get it, I vote for giving it a pink fishnet resto and then ride the hell out of it.

"Murray Walker it" eh? Ha, that's a new one. Probably lost on many of us 'cross-the-ponders.
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Originally Posted by gaucho777 View Post
I wonder how many Faggins fell to the spray can as a result of homophobia. They did have some wild paint schemes, and some nice frame details. If you get it, I vote for giving it a pink fishnet resto and then ride the hell out of it.

"Murray Walker it" eh? Ha, that's a new one. Probably lost on many of us 'cross-the-ponders.
Well. It was not attacked with a can of paint, but the whole frame has been chromed. Not sure really, will have to see it in the flesh.

For you ''cross the ponders', Murray Walker was a commentator on the F1 racing around the world, and was reknowned for saying things like "He can't fail to win from this position!!!" about 15 seconds before a blowout, crash, fuel running out etc.
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Old 08-26-14, 04:36 AM
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Oooh just spotted you have Parkpres! I had a plated finish Tange Ultimate Superlight tubed mtb, was fantastic. A friend bought it from me when I moved to France, and afaik is still zooming round Bristol on it
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Originally Posted by gaucho777 View Post
I wonder how many Faggins fell to the spray can as a result of homophobia. They did have some wild paint schemes, and some nice frame details. If you get it, I vote for giving it a pink fishnet resto and then ride the hell out of it.

"Murray Walker it" eh? Ha, that's a new one. Probably lost on many of us 'cross-the-ponders.
Mine had a red fishnet scheme. Super fun to ride, but too small, so I sold it.

Had to look up the Murry Walker ref. funny!

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Wow! Have you got a close up of that paint? Was it a nice ride?
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Oooh, a fully chromed Faggin is definitely worth a look and a test ride. Good luck, and post pictures if you get it!

The Parkpre's I have are both excellent bikes. I used to race for Conejo Velo in Southern CA, and Kozi Yamakoshi's two sons were on the team. When he started Parkpre, he sponsored the Conejo Velo race team and we sort of became Team Park Pre (at least for the road team).

By the way, hoping you'll start a thread to show off your Colnago Titanio in Mapei livery!
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Originally Posted by gaucho777 View Post
.....By the way, hoping you'll start a thread to show off your Colnago Titanio in Mapei livery!
I will second that!
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Old 08-27-14, 06:11 AM
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The seller just sent me the pics from when he bought it:
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It looks like it must be at least Tre-tubi and probably All SL tubing...looks great!
My only concern is whether the chrome shop knew what they were doing with a bike frame. There have been stories of "Hydrogen embrittlement" and other horrors when the insides of the tubing wasn't thoroughly cleaned out. But if it was shop familiar with chrome-plating bike frames, they will know all about it...
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Thanks Unworthy. The seller says that thats what was under the paint, so I've emailed Faggin to see if they can help. On the down side the HS is HS (HS in French= Hors service, or in English, knackered. Any pun you have to explain should probably not be used in the first place, but hey ho...). The BB is also not happy, but I have yet to take it apart. Detail photos to come...
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Ah-so, This was factory-plated chrome, and had a cromovelato finish, or transparent lacquer over chrome. Didn't look so much like that in the pictures that show original blue paint, but there you go. Again, I doubt that anything less than a top model would have been given this finish by Faggin, so probably NOT a budget (Tre-tubi or Aelle) frame!
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So BB is HS as well. Stronglight axle, ofmega RH cup. 36 x 24 F, right hand side LH or RH thread? I lose track...
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It looks like it must be at least Tre-tubi and probably All SL tubing...looks great!
How can you tell (apart from workmanship/components)?
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Ah-so, This was factory-plated chrome, and had a cromovelato finish, or transparent lacquer over chrome. Didn't look so much like that in the pictures that show original blue paint, but there you go. Again, I doubt that anything less than a top model would have been given this finish by Faggin, so probably NOT a budget (Tre-tubi or Aelle) frame!
I think it was a solid colour over chrome, not unheard of by any means. I also had a faggin and it was SPX and road a bit stiff for my liking. It had nice details and was a bit later than this one, the chrome was in rough shape though. I can't remember if the frame was full chrome or not. It was a solid red finish.
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Found a couple of flakes of original paint, looks like it was metallic. So my problem is now: do I strip the unidentified but rides really well NotGitane? I've not got much to spend on it, and the NGit is Nice simplex and stronglight. Would love to keep both...

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I could maybe stretch to this... anyone guess what year it all is?
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How can you tell (apart from workmanship/components)?
exactly: can't tell for sure, making (educated, I hope) guesses. A 27.2 seat post would help clinch it (Aelle takes 26.8, generally) and weight would too. Having it in-hand goes a long way to judging quality.
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It seems to be up there quality-wise. Chroming looks pretty good all over, bar a couple of points on the chainstay. Campag dropouts are solid with the screws running nicely. Weight on my unproven scales 2.8kg F&F, with BB and half a HS in. Seat post is 27.2.
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exactly: can't tell for sure, making (educated, I hope) guesses. A 27.2 seat post would help clinch it (Aelle takes 26.8, generally) and weight would too. Having it in-hand goes a long way to judging quality.
Got it - thanks for the reply.

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It seems to be up there quality-wise. Chroming looks pretty good all over, bar a couple of points on the chainstay. Campag dropouts are solid with the screws running nicely. Weight on my unproven scales 2.8kg F&F, with BB and half a HS in. Seat post is 27.2.
Nice bike, by the way!
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Nice bike, by the way!
Thanks! I hope the build I can maybe afford will do it justice!
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