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Old 08-28-14, 08:06 AM
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Need advice on black

Kind of sort of working on my own build at the moment. Right now, the frame is bare (and I'm debating leaving it that way and putting a clear coat on only) but I'm thinking about paint options.

I already have a brown saddle and will be getting (hopefully) some kind of brown leather grips for the bars--so I already know I'm using brown in it.

So the question is: how hard is making brown and black look good together? While I'm thinking of simply using the old, beat up steel look, I'm seriously debating going black or, like, a slate blue.

Can anyone share pictures of their black frame with brown accents?

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Black goes with anything.
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I have a couple of bikes that don't have paint and they do look cool! The way I preserve them from rust is to spray them down with WD-40 periodically. The challenge with Clear coating is that, from what I have read, the metal will change color anyway. The clear coat, once compromized will allow rust to form so you have to keep up with it. There are other alternatives to clear coat but they will only last 5-8 years. If that works for you then that may be an option, Sharkhide: Sharkhide Not cheap.

Black is not a color. It is the absense of all colors. White is the colleciton of all colors.
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Black is the absorption of all wavelengths of light where white is the reflection of all wavelengths of light.
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As mentioned, black is tough to work with. It's hard to predict how it's going to behave next to other colours. Sometimes it just looks dead. Sometimes it sings. Investigate custom blacks, ie: a black that upon close inspection actually has a hint of colour to it, like a red (think black cherry). Another thing would be to add another colour to complement the black, whether it be pinstriping, a painted panel or a decal.
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Google "vintage bike" and you'll see more black and brown than you may care for.
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Old 08-28-14, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by non-fixie
Google "vintage bike" and you'll see more black and brown than you may care for.
+1, brown leather and a black frame look great together.
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Green works well with brown too.https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...een-bikes.html
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Brown brooks grips and honey saddle. This was a bike I had briefly (hated it), but it might help:

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Paint chips and scratches are easy to touch up on a black frame.

My late 60s Andre Bertin:



1972 Motobecane Le Champion (eBay picture as purchased)



"Paint It Black"
the Rolling Stones

"Red! Red! Some Like It Black! I Like It Red!" Sammy Hagar

I like em' both!

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Originally Posted by SJX426
My DayGlo green off road bike that I built in 1992. Lugged heavy gage Reynold 531, 700c wheels.



My DayGlo green touring bike that I also built in 1992.



1981 Bianchi Campione Del Mondo - Celeste green.



1988 Bianchi Giro Celeste green.



1990 Bianchi Mondial Celeste green.



Mid 70s Alpine Green Green



1971 Hetchins Italia Celeste green.



1965 Tigra lime green.



1994 Gazelle frame DayGlo green.




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my old Brooks Pro is a brownish black they only made them in 1 color then , that was It.
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Black looks best in a sunset.

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In my mind, a brown saddle on this ALAN would stand out like a sore thumb..!



I have learned, over the years and after hundreds of builds, that you DO NOT want a component to draw immediate attention away from the bicycle. For example, look at the multi colors on my Cyclops as it used to be...



...and compare its looks to the way it is now...



You decide which looks best. In my mind, a brown saddle and tape would not work well, as far as winkin and blinkin are concerned.
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Nothing wrong with brown on black.



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Black frame
Brown saddle and bar wrap
Silver seat post, stem and bars. Pretty sure this ones a given though
2 white water bottle cages. If the frame can mount 2
White cable housing
Black tires that has white lettering for the sidewall.

That's how I would build a black colored frame.
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Black works well with black.

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Originally Posted by MacGyverBurrito
Black frame
Brown saddle and bar wrap
Silver seat post, stem and bars. Pretty sure this ones a given though
2 white water bottle cages. If the frame can mount 2
White cable housing
Black tires that has white lettering for the sidewall.

That's how I would build a black colored frame.
Has anyone done this (or something similar) before and have any pictures? I may actually fool with this idea a little bit as the new decals are mostly white, except for the one special one with brown in it (hence one of the reasons I'm sold on brown). I'm not sure I could do the white cable housing, but I may be swayed if I see a picture.
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Another option is the Bianchi "charcoal" color, which my artist wife refers to as a "metallic Ralph Lauren brown." I have black brake hoods, brake cable housings, toe clip straps, and saddle (Serfas ARC), all of which I like, on that bike, as well as black anodized rims, which I do not like.
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The thing is, with colors on bikes, it's easy to go wrong. Unless you're into "vintage as a lifestyle thing" (which is OK by me, BTW), it's all about credibility.

The recipe for a credible bike is something like:
  • 80% purpose
  • 15% superstition
  • 5% vanity

Purpose
You need the best/fastest/lightest/most reliable parts. If they only come in green, so be it.

Superstition
If you think that highly polished parts have less resistance, and are therefore faster, you must have highly polished parts. If you believe that you ride better if you have fresh white bar tape before every race, you must have fresh white bar tape. (This is not a joke. I know of at least one (former) professional who had his bars redone with fresh white tape every morning during the TdF)

Vanity
You're allowed a bit of vanity. But only if you're good enough, otherwise you're just a poseur.

So, if you put honey-colored grips on your bike because they must match with your saddle, you'd better be very fast or be prepared to classified as a:

a) woman
b) metro man
c) someone who spends too much time with his personal shopping assistant.

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Originally Posted by gomango
Nothing wrong with brown on black.

man, i hate non drive side photos.

oh, wait ...
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Originally Posted by non-fixie
The recipe for a credible bike is something like:
  • 80% purpose
  • 15% superstition
  • 5% vanity
Oh, I don't want to appear pedantical or anything, but quibbling I must be. Without style the bike is nothing, for the riding experience is what it is all about. I have, for example, a nice Campy NR crankset on my Masi (I know, it can be said that the arms are R and the rings are what give it the N) for style's sake. Same for the custom-cage NR RD. Function shouts I should use a nice Sugino crank with smaller rings and a smaller FW, and Cyclone derailleurs, that I'd go faster that way and the bike would be lighter. Style whispers that riding it would not be the same. The quiet whisper wins that argument.
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Originally Posted by jimmuller
Oh, I don't want to appear pedantical or anything, but quibbling I must be. Without style the bike is nothing, for the riding experience is what it is all about. I have, for example, a nice Campy NR crankset on my Masi (I know, it can be said that the arms are R and the rings are what give it the N) for style's sake. Same for the custom-cage NR RD. Function shouts I should use a nice Sugino crank with smaller rings and a smaller FW, and Cyclone derailleurs, that I'd go faster that way and the bike would be lighter. Style whispers that riding it would not be the same. The quiet whisper wins that argument.
Ah, no. I may not have explained this very well. Purpose has little to do with you or me, but with what the bike was originally designed for: racing! So Campy NR with huge chain rings is all about purpose. You're safe.

Fot those unsure of the twine color with which to finish their bar tape: ask yourself 'what would Eddy do?'
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Originally Posted by eschlwc
man, i hate non drive side photos.

oh, wait ...
eschlwc THAT'S GREAT!

I've given up on trying to educate people about drive side picture so I came up with these devices:

A dog with a "modesty" skirt:



A bike modesty skirt:



For extreeeme modesty, a bike burqa:



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