The Cino Heroica effect - a new ride to ponder
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The Cino Heroica effect - a new ride to ponder
The 2014 Cino Heroica ride thread and my experience with the 2013 Cino has got something kick started in my head again so I'm posting as an idea. I have thrown it by several C&V'ers in the area and received great comments/feedback and 5-6 commitments so far from Spokane, Seattle and possibly the Portland, OR area. I'm opening this up more broadly and will probably create a Google group at the suggestion of The Thin Man as a place to coordinate logistics, planning, etc. We can also post it here as well.
I grew up in Whitman County, south of Spokane, WA in the rolling wheat fields of the Palouse. It's great country with beautiful scenery and immense riding possibilities. Included are a lot of gravel and dirt roads. The thought struck me that another Cino style ride could be done here as a C&V group social ride, training ride for Cino, etc. I have put a route together that is approximately 59.4 miles and includes about 4500 feet of climbing on the day. It includes a ride up Steptoe Butte. It's about 1100 ft in 3 miles but the view is spectacular. Roads are a mix of pavement, gravel and dirt. I rode a modified version of this course last year to see how my Cino bike would do and really enjoyed it.
I'm still working logistics in my head based on a potential family trip in June 2015 I would look at the 2nd weekend of July to do this. It's after spring rains (dirt roads have dried out) and before harvest (dirt roads turn to powder). For places to stay there are a couple of RV parks close by, hotels in Colfax and Pullman WA and Spokane, WA is only an hour away. Riders would donate items to share for snacks/drinks at the halfway point and my dad agreed to run meet us with a cooler (ore more). Clearly this would not be a "sanctioned" ride of any kind from a liability or insurance standpoint but it would be a lot of fun.
From a name perspective - it's open - Le Classique de la Palouse, Palouse Classique, Redneck Randonee (thanks Northbend), etc. I'm open to a democratic resolution of that.
Here's the route. Under the 3d portion on the right I've been able to click on the Large Version link and get it to pull up a aerial, video shot of the ride. Not sure if it still works.
And, some photos of the course:
And a view from the top of the Steptoe Butte climb - this alone is worth the free price of admission:
I grew up in Whitman County, south of Spokane, WA in the rolling wheat fields of the Palouse. It's great country with beautiful scenery and immense riding possibilities. Included are a lot of gravel and dirt roads. The thought struck me that another Cino style ride could be done here as a C&V group social ride, training ride for Cino, etc. I have put a route together that is approximately 59.4 miles and includes about 4500 feet of climbing on the day. It includes a ride up Steptoe Butte. It's about 1100 ft in 3 miles but the view is spectacular. Roads are a mix of pavement, gravel and dirt. I rode a modified version of this course last year to see how my Cino bike would do and really enjoyed it.
I'm still working logistics in my head based on a potential family trip in June 2015 I would look at the 2nd weekend of July to do this. It's after spring rains (dirt roads have dried out) and before harvest (dirt roads turn to powder). For places to stay there are a couple of RV parks close by, hotels in Colfax and Pullman WA and Spokane, WA is only an hour away. Riders would donate items to share for snacks/drinks at the halfway point and my dad agreed to run meet us with a cooler (ore more). Clearly this would not be a "sanctioned" ride of any kind from a liability or insurance standpoint but it would be a lot of fun.
From a name perspective - it's open - Le Classique de la Palouse, Palouse Classique, Redneck Randonee (thanks Northbend), etc. I'm open to a democratic resolution of that.
Here's the route. Under the 3d portion on the right I've been able to click on the Large Version link and get it to pull up a aerial, video shot of the ride. Not sure if it still works.
And, some photos of the course:
And a view from the top of the Steptoe Butte climb - this alone is worth the free price of admission:
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It might be fun to set up rides like this in different parts of the country. WA is a beautiful but it is a heck of a long ways for a lot of people.
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While I am not going to attend, I fully encourage this great idea. I don't think there are enough classic rides in the US. More, especially in this case, is better. The interwebz are nice, but an in person vintage ride and or event is better. Good luck.
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Another reason to consider buying those wider tires I've avoided thusfar.
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That is delightful scenery -- looks like quite the adventure.
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I did the route last year on the PX10 with 28mm tires and they worked great. Plenty of traction even with 100 psi
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Well, not if you live in the PNW, which is definitely a hot-spot for offbeat cycling events. I think that eastern Washington/Oregon may be among the best locations in the west for a Heroica/L'Eroica type event. If a promoter wants to put on a viable event then it should be near a large group of interested riders. If you want it to be low key then that could work too!
There are already a couple of dozen or so Gravel Grinder rides each year just in Oregon! Most are of the low key variety and they don't advertise much but still get more and more riders each year, successful even though they try not to be!
Here is my advice to anyone who wishes to organize such an event. Start with an easier event that is very enjoyable, 50 to 100 miles or whatever. Then if you want to grow the event you can add in some extra distance here or another climb there. Just don't make t a "death ride" on dirt. That kind of ride appeals to a much smaller segment of the community. I really liked L'Eroica Britannia's emphasis on being fun and traditinal, with some hard riding thrown in!
There are already a couple of dozen or so Gravel Grinder rides each year just in Oregon! Most are of the low key variety and they don't advertise much but still get more and more riders each year, successful even though they try not to be!
Here is my advice to anyone who wishes to organize such an event. Start with an easier event that is very enjoyable, 50 to 100 miles or whatever. Then if you want to grow the event you can add in some extra distance here or another climb there. Just don't make t a "death ride" on dirt. That kind of ride appeals to a much smaller segment of the community. I really liked L'Eroica Britannia's emphasis on being fun and traditinal, with some hard riding thrown in!
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Here is my advice to anyone who wishes to organize such an event. Start with an easier event that is very enjoyable, 50 to 100 miles or whatever. Then if you want to grow the event you can add in some extra distance here or another climb there. Just don't make t a "death ride" on dirt. That kind of ride appeals to a much smaller segment of the community. I really liked L'Eroica Britannia's emphasis on being fun and traditinal, with some hard riding thrown in!
Fwiw I have ridden a half dozen times this summer on the same gravel roads they used for the former Almanzo 100.
The Almanzo 100 had 6,500 ft of climbing in, out of and around river valleys in southern Minnesota.
The point is that there hundreds of miles of easy to moderate roads that are incredibly scenic. I just took out some of the ultra challenging climbs for the groups I was riding with on those occasions and we all enjoyed ourselves quite a bit without some of the nastiness.
The gravel is hard packed limestone that 28s thrive on. In fact, I use mainly Compass Chinook Pass tires along with Challenge Strada Biancas which are 700x30s. These tires work great down there and most of us could find a bike that can take advantage of this size.
There are numerous small towns in this area, many with B&Bs. Many great restaurants and even decent fly fishing, sightseeing, camping and other recreational pursuits for the whole family.
One could easily dial in some crazy hill climbing into my routes if you were so inclined.
Another plus to this area is the easy drive from many areas of the Midwest.
Or we could just wait for the new gravel event that will be near Granite Falls, Mn. next year. Supposedly sponsored by HED and the originators of the Almanzo 100.
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I'd love to join you. It's a long way off, so I can't yet say if it would be possible, but it looks amazing. I've seen a bit of the OR and WA coast, but none of the eastern parts of the PNW. I have family in Seattle, so it seems conceivable. Please keep me on your list of interested people, if you have one.
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Well, not if you live in the PNW, which is definitely a hot-spot for offbeat cycling events. I think that eastern Washington/Oregon may be among the best locations in the west for a Heroica/L'Eroica type event. If a promoter wants to put on a viable event then it should be near a large group of interested riders. If you want it to be low key then that could work too!
There are already a couple of dozen or so Gravel Grinder rides each year just in Oregon! Most are of the low key variety and they don't advertise much but still get more and more riders each year, successful even though they try not to be!
Here is my advice to anyone who wishes to organize such an event. Start with an easier event that is very enjoyable, 50 to 100 miles or whatever. Then if you want to grow the event you can add in some extra distance here or another climb there. Just don't make t a "death ride" on dirt. That kind of ride appeals to a much smaller segment of the community. I really liked L'Eroica Britannia's emphasis on being fun and traditinal, with some hard riding thrown in!
There are already a couple of dozen or so Gravel Grinder rides each year just in Oregon! Most are of the low key variety and they don't advertise much but still get more and more riders each year, successful even though they try not to be!
Here is my advice to anyone who wishes to organize such an event. Start with an easier event that is very enjoyable, 50 to 100 miles or whatever. Then if you want to grow the event you can add in some extra distance here or another climb there. Just don't make t a "death ride" on dirt. That kind of ride appeals to a much smaller segment of the community. I really liked L'Eroica Britannia's emphasis on being fun and traditinal, with some hard riding thrown in!
This route has climbing but is much less strenuous than Cino. The roads are, for the most part, in much better shape witn smaller gravel. The one big climb is on pavement. It does have some broken pavement so you have to be a little careful on the descent.
We welcome any PNW riders, heck, any rider that wanted to make a trek out here, but would definitely want to see it limited to C&V bikes. A ride like this is so much more rewarding on an old bike.
The other advantage is I could see this turn into a weekend type event with this as the highlight and maybe a ride around the Snake River one day and on the Trail of the Coeur d'Alenes or Hiawatha Trail and it's 2.5 mile ling tunnel on another day.
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Maybe we need a sticky for C&V gravel type rides. I'd drive to go do one in the midwest. I go to the PNW on a fairly regular basis as I have family there but taking a bike on a plane is always a pain. This thread is giving me some serious incentive to get my Trek 720 rideable again. It would make a great gravel bike. I've been riding a bridgestone xo-2 on gravel but I'm not sure it qualifies with brifters and clipless pedals!
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I would love to join you. I grew up in Washington. AKA DC but I rode through your area in 1983 and had some memorable experiences there, in honor of which I might suggest the name, Rangefire Randonnay. It's a beautiful area or, in the vernacular, smoking hot.
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I'd love to join you. It's a long way off, so I can't yet say if it would be possible, but it looks amazing. I've seen a bit of the OR and WA coast, but none of the eastern parts of the PNW. I have family in Seattle, so it seems conceivable. Please keep me on your list of interested people, if you have one.
This would not be limited to BF C&V - others on C&V bikes would be welcome as well.
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Maybe we need a sticky for C&V gravel type rides. I'd drive to go do one in the midwest. I go to the PNW on a fairly regular basis as I have family there but taking a bike on a plane is always a pain. This thread is giving me some serious incentive to get my Trek 720 rideable again. It would make a great gravel bike. I've been riding a bridgestone xo-2 on gravel but I'm not sure it qualifies with brifters and clipless pedals!
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Outstanding advice.
Fwiw I have ridden a half dozen times this summer on the same gravel roads they used for the former Almanzo 100.
The Almanzo 100 had 6,500 ft of climbing in, out of and around river valleys in southern Minnesota.
The point is that there hundreds of miles of easy to moderate roads that are incredibly scenic. I just took out some of the ultra challenging climbs for the groups I was riding with on those occasions and we all enjoyed ourselves quite a bit without some of the nastiness.
The gravel is hard packed limestone that 28s thrive on. In fact, I use mainly Compass Chinook Pass tires along with Challenge Strada Biancas which are 700x30s. These tires work great down there and most of us could find a bike that can take advantage of this size.
There are numerous small towns in this area, many with B&Bs. Many great restaurants and even decent fly fishing, sightseeing, camping and other recreational pursuits for the whole family.
One could easily dial in some crazy hill climbing into my routes if you were so inclined.
Another plus to this area is the easy drive from many areas of the Midwest.
Or we could just wait for the new gravel event that will be near Granite Falls, Mn. next year. Supposedly sponsored by HED and the originators of the Almanzo 100.
Fwiw I have ridden a half dozen times this summer on the same gravel roads they used for the former Almanzo 100.
The Almanzo 100 had 6,500 ft of climbing in, out of and around river valleys in southern Minnesota.
The point is that there hundreds of miles of easy to moderate roads that are incredibly scenic. I just took out some of the ultra challenging climbs for the groups I was riding with on those occasions and we all enjoyed ourselves quite a bit without some of the nastiness.
The gravel is hard packed limestone that 28s thrive on. In fact, I use mainly Compass Chinook Pass tires along with Challenge Strada Biancas which are 700x30s. These tires work great down there and most of us could find a bike that can take advantage of this size.
There are numerous small towns in this area, many with B&Bs. Many great restaurants and even decent fly fishing, sightseeing, camping and other recreational pursuits for the whole family.
One could easily dial in some crazy hill climbing into my routes if you were so inclined.
Another plus to this area is the easy drive from many areas of the Midwest.
Or we could just wait for the new gravel event that will be near Granite Falls, Mn. next year. Supposedly sponsored by HED and the originators of the Almanzo 100.
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Yeah, i've been to the area and would love to ride there. I'd love to be on the list for "more info" if this turns into a ride. I could probably piggy back it on one of my frequent trips to the west coast.
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Let me look at the calendar and see if we can't sneak one in before this turns in winter tundra. The fall colors down there are splendid, so that may be an incentive as well.
If not doable this fall, it's really a beautiful area in the spring.
Perhaps I should consider a new thread for this, as I don't want to detract from the PNW idea.
I know there is a separate gravel subforum here, but I'm not sure how many frequent it from c&v.
Maybe I'll just post it as a c&v ride that happens to be on gravel.
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I'd be in for a Rochester area ride, or anywhere in eastern MN or western WI for that matter.
If there's any interest among the Chicago group in a Kettle Moraine northern unit ride (just north of Milwaukee) then I'd be happy to organize a metric century distance. The scenery is lovely glacial terrain, and the stops along the way have all the Wisconsin flavors. Not so much climbing, just smaller rollers. All pavement. Perfect terrain for a vintage ride. My stoping grounds, though I can't add the song and story to it that RT did for Mineral Point.
If there's any interest among the Chicago group in a Kettle Moraine northern unit ride (just north of Milwaukee) then I'd be happy to organize a metric century distance. The scenery is lovely glacial terrain, and the stops along the way have all the Wisconsin flavors. Not so much climbing, just smaller rollers. All pavement. Perfect terrain for a vintage ride. My stoping grounds, though I can't add the song and story to it that RT did for Mineral Point.
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@scozim spectacular scenery and not that far from Calgary. Assuming no calendar conflicts I would love to attend and could convince a couple of others as well. Keep us posted. Brad
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Wow- gorgeous looking!
I don't know much about organizing but if I were travel long distance to participate, I'd want to ride and ride and ride and ride....
BTW: The D2R2 randonnee in MA is on my radar. https://www.franklinlandtrust.org/randonnee.html
I don't know much about organizing but if I were travel long distance to participate, I'd want to ride and ride and ride and ride....
BTW: The D2R2 randonnee in MA is on my radar. https://www.franklinlandtrust.org/randonnee.html
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I grew up in Spokane and I love the Palouse. Some thoughts: Steptoe is fabulous. Good history. The open country is gorgeous. What makes Cino wonderful is the destination. Hot Springs is such a low vibe place. If we could design the ride into a two day, it makes for a great ride and then a great evening with friends. I would also suggest less gravel than Cino. Cino is great, but it hurts.
What would be your start and end point?
by the way, EVERY state should have a Cino!
Corse Palouse?
Palouse Classic?
Ferrous Appalousa?
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Palouse Classic?
Ferrous Appalousa?
we need a name!
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I'm just aching to do this, and this time around I'll probably run tubulars if the surfaces aren't as tough as Cino.
As far as a name, how about "Scozim's Scramble"?
2nd week in July should be good for weather, and having done Cino in 80 degree weather, well, how bad could it be?
DD
As far as a name, how about "Scozim's Scramble"?
2nd week in July should be good for weather, and having done Cino in 80 degree weather, well, how bad could it be?
DD
09-20-14, 08:39 PM
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Senior Member
I'm just aching to do this, and this time around I'll probably run tubulars if the surfaces aren't as tough as Cino.
As far as a name, how about "Scozim's Scramble"?
2nd week in July should be good for weather, and having done Cino in 80 degree weather, well, how bad could it be?
DD
As far as a name, how about "Scozim's Scramble"?
2nd week in July should be good for weather, and having done Cino in 80 degree weather, well, how bad could it be?
DD
