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Old 11-23-14, 03:57 PM
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Anybody recognize this derailleur?

I found this at the Rotterdam C&V event today, in a anything-from-this-box-for-€5 box. I have turned the mounting bolt around since taking these pics.










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"ET phone home"?

Don't know, but couldn't resist. For some reason I think French and I have absolutely no basis for that.
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen View Post
"ET phone home"?

Don't know, but couldn't resist. For some reason I think French and I have absolutely no basis for that.
Well, at least you guessed what came up when I googled "ET bike derailleur"
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...the guy at Disraeli Gears has the largest collection of online photos of derailleurs of which i am aware.
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Cyrillic maybe??
Russian??
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Old 11-23-14, 04:28 PM
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...the guy at Disraeli Gears has the largest collection of online photos of derailleurs of which i am aware.
Just had a look there, checking out some of his former Soviet Union stuff, and found out that the XB3 code on the wheels points to Kharkov:

XB3 = Харьковcкй Bелосипедный Завод (Kharkov Bicycle Factory)
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That is the roughest CampI clone I have ever seen.
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...yeah, check the image for 4th style Kharkov.
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That is the roughest CampI clone I have ever seen.
...vodka gets you just as drunk as wine.
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skayda's Frejus under current discussion on another thread came with XB3 pedals.
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Old 11-23-14, 04:38 PM
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...yeah, check the image for 4th style Kharkov.
Bingo! Thanks. Petty that Sweatman doesn't know what the ET stands for either. Apparently it's a Gian Robert copy.
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...yeah, check the image for 4th style Kharkov.
I had one of these! Found it on Ebay for, like, $10. No top pivot bolt and the pulleys had no washers/bearings to speak of. As a result, they barely rotated.

It was an interesting Eastern Bloc POS I think it went into the BOC a couple years ago, but I don't really remember.

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That is one awesome score!
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Well, mine seems to be in good working order and it's very light. It's sitting on my desk next to a Huret Jubilee and a Simplex SX410, and I can't tell the weight difference between the Kharkov and the Huret by hand, whereas the SX410 feels a lot heavier.
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Took a while to locate the limit screws. The parallelogram looks pretty long, if the spring is good and the rotation acceptable, I would be tempted to try it out with different pulleys.
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Oh, I forgot the spring

About 1/2 the thickness of any other comparable derailleur. Verrrrry squishy. Honestly, there's no way I'd have run it; it's light, yes, and I bet if installed it would ball up after a couple runs up/down the block!

Sorry, not trying to bash - it's just that I personally found it to be the worst derailleur I've ever held in my hands.

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... and I thought my 980 was ugly.
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... and I thought my 980 was ugly.
I bought and used one in college, I just had to stay Campagnolo. It worked pretty well, its appearance is… plebeian.
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No, no. The Huret Allvit was the worst. Interesting piece from the Cold War days!
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hello non-fixie,

thanks for sharing this fascinating find with the forum. most interesting reading.

one thing you have not mentioned regarding the rotterdam swap is just how many lorries you had to rent to convey your treasures homeward; and then there is the matter of what mrs non-fixie had to say when she saw the forklift unloading the pallets. or did she simply faint?

hope you have it all properly stowed away by now...
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
hello non-fixie,

thanks for sharing this fascinating find with the forum. most interesting reading.

one thing you have not mentioned regarding the rotterdam swap is just how many lorries you had to rent to convey your treasures homeward; and then there is the matter of what mrs non-fixie had to say when she saw the forklift unloading the pallets. or did she simply faint?

hope you have it all properly stowed away by now...


Actually, I did manage a couple of things this time:

Bring a couple of plastic bags
Last time in Ghent I forgot, the sellers didn't have any and the result was that all my trouser and jacket pockets were bulging with parts and were stretched and soiled beyond recovery.

Not buy a frame or bike
This was the difficult one, as there was a lot of nice stuff from the Rotterdam greats: Verhoeven, Brinkman and Visser, to name a few. I'd love to have me some of that. Luckily most were too small, and the lovely bike that was my size had an asking price of twice its fair market value. And even then I must have gone back to look at it at least ten times.

The stuff I did bring home was of such exceptional beauty, that even mrs non-fixie gave it a nod of approval:





I did compensate for not having bought a true Rotterdam bike, however, by buying another Dutch classic the week after.

Behold my Springfield:

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thanks very much for this report non-fixie!

do you mean to tell us that Verhoeven does something with cycles when he is not directing films?

what is the correct/accepted term for this pattern of handlebar? one often sees it on Italian town bikes. and juvela always forgets

from what can be seen of the crest emblem on the Springfield it somewhat resembles that of GIOS.
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thanks very much for this report non-fixie!

do you mean to tell us that Verhoeven does something with cycles when he is not directing films?

what is the correct/accepted term for this pattern of handlebar? one often sees it on Italian town bikes. and juvela always forgets

from what can be seen of the crest emblem on the Springfield it somewhat resembles that of GIOS.
This is Wout Verhoeven, who's been fairly important to upper end of the Dutch cycling industry. Amongst other things he was GIOS and Campagnolo importer for the Dutch market until 2008.

That type of handlebar is called "condorino", rarely seen outside Italy. This one is branded "Legnano".

And yes, the color and decals on this Springfield were clearly influenced by GIOS. A pity, as Springfields are every bit as interesting as GIOS'. They were built by Jasper Bouma and Jacobus de Jong, who were considered to be among the very best frame builders this country had to offer. Quite a few pros rode them, painted in the colors of their sponsors.
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Hank Troisieme -

you might be interested in this news of cousin Dick Troisieme. he has been snoozing under a tarmac coverlet for a few centuries:

BBC News - Richard III's DNA throws up infidelity surprise

Stalinolo is only his stage name. nomus veritas is Jugashviliolo.

non-fixie -

thanks very much for this information. happy to know me auld eyes are not that far gone wrt the crest

that non-fixie cycle knowledge is simply bottomless!
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