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Old 12-05-14, 04:31 PM
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Ultra Rare Paramount

They don't get much more rare than this:



Acquired from the retired owner* of a Schwinn chain
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Old 12-05-14, 04:38 PM
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This is a teaser pic right? Only one pic and only of the headtube? Or is the pic designed to stump the paramount experts? Looking forward to seeing the rest of the pics of the bike.
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Old 12-05-14, 04:38 PM
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Very nice. But for this 6'3" serious Clydesdale, however pretty it is to look at (and it is that), it's pretty much useless for riding purposes
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Fillet brazed out of USA = rare? inquiring minds want to know
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At 5'7", I think I'd manage it just fine!
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Congratulations, Jim.

Looking at the photo, it's pretty apparent the head tube is too short to accommodate lugs so they just about had to fillet braze the HT/TT and HT/DT joints. It's gotta be really small. Are the wheels 700c or 650c?
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Old 12-05-14, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by squirtdad View Post
Fillet brazed out of USA = rare? inquiring minds want to know
Out of Waterford in 1987...

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Congratulations, Jim.

Looking at the photo, it's pretty apparent the head tube is too short to accommodate lugs so they just about had to fillet braze the HT/TT and HT/DT joints. It's gotta be really small. Are the wheels 700c or 650c?
Stan, wheels are 700c, I stay away from 650 bikes like the plague. It's stamped 46cm..

TT is 52cm c2c, ST is 47 c2t, stand over is 28"

The back story is the shop owners daughter, I bought the bike from her ex husband, had it custom made in '87. It was ridden no more than twice and put on display in the shop. Apparently, the shop owner was pretty good friends with Richard and Ed Schwinn. I'm definitely getting the provenance report as you suggested.

More pics tomorrow when I have better light.
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Old 12-05-14, 05:03 PM
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oh how I long for one of those headsets for my 85. I look forward to seeing the whole bike. Beautiful!
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Old 12-05-14, 05:11 PM
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Well, the small size explains why the head tube is fillet brazed. The smallest stock frame in 1987 was 485mm ST c-t. A 46cm frame just wouldn't have room on the head tube for the top and bottom lugs.

You've got a really interesting bike there.

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If it was a 650 the headtube would of looked like it belonged on a 56 cm frame. I'm surprised the cranks don't hit the front wheel being that small. Lol. When it gets that small why stick with a 700c wheel?
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Old 12-05-14, 07:08 PM
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Terry is a builder who specialized in really small frames. The first time I ever saw a bike with a 700c back and 650 front was one of these.
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Yeah, it seems like the rider would have all kinds of toe overlap problems. Maybe that's why it ended up as wall art?
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I'm surprised the cranks don't hit the front wheel being that small. Lol. When it gets that small why stick with a 700c wheel?
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Yeah, it seems like the rider would have all kinds of toe overlap problems. Maybe that's why it ended up as wall art?
There is NO toe clip overlap as it sits with 165mm cranks and small toe clips. It has a 52cm top tube which is the same length as the 485 and 495 stock frames as listed in post #9 .
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Old 12-05-14, 08:24 PM
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There is NO toe clip overlap as it sits with 165mm cranks and small toe clips. It has a 52cm top tube which is the same length as the 485 and 495 stock frames as listed in post #9 .
Well designed bike then. But then I suppose we should expect nothing less from the Waterford bunch.
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Without more pics I can only assume you were only able to acquire 7/32 of the complete bike.
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Without more pics I can only assume you were only able to acquire 7/32 of the complete bike.
Not to steal Jim's thunder, but here's a driveside photo from the CL listing.

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Well done Jim - that's a beauty.

You might find this interesting:

Bikeville thoughts: 1983 Schwinn Paramount touring frame and fork custom made for Edward R. Schwinn!
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Very cool, Jim. That chainring looks enormous!
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Wow...very nice...cannot wait to see really good pictures!!! That is a very cool looking bike...
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Weather finally cleared....

Both brake cable were too short so I changed them and the grungy tape. Tire have no wear but are hardened and the hoods are cracked...serviceable but cracked.

Full compliment of pictures here: 1987 Pink Paramount Slideshow by jimr2527 | Photobucket










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Those photos really show how pristine your bike is, Jim. The CL pictures didn't do it justice.
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Have not went to the full portfolio...just the pics here have the drool running overtime. What an outstanding bike...
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Nice pics Jim, well done and beautiful bike. I'll bring my paramount over when I get it next month.
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Nice pics Jim, well done and beautiful bike. I'll bring my paramount over when I get it next month.
We can take a 'group' picture next to my three!!
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