Originally Posted by ThermionicScott
(Post 17422817)
27" wheels are certainly out of date, if nothing else. Reaching back to an earlier point in this thread, is anyone willing to argue that the Model T is not obsolete, since a couple of replacement parts are still being made? ;)
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I can't imagine the state of mind one must be in to think that the method of dominating a topic is by claiming that the Ford Model T is not obsolete as a vehicle in 2014...
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Originally Posted by The Golden Boy
(Post 17424240)
I can't imagine the state of mind one must be in to think that the method of dominating a topic is by claiming that the Ford Model T is not obsolete as a vehicle in 2014...
And besides I have a weird state of mind. |
Model T is certainly not obsolete as a novelty or as a Model T club member's ride. It is obsolete as a highway or commuter transportation vehicle though.
Likewise, 27" tires aren't obsolete as tires for vintage-bike rider's bikes. They seem to be obsolete as a bicycle designer's choice of tire however. The latest year of bikes that I have owned which came with 27 inch tires is about 1988, and both the Motiv and Lotus were (albeit decent) low-end bikes. Bikes like the cheap "Firenze" giveaway bikes with 27" wheels were perhaps made a year or two longer, but these were truly at the department-store level of quality. Does anyone remember any 27 inch wheeled bikes offered into the 1990's? |
Originally Posted by dddd
(Post 17425312)
Does anyone remember any 27 inch wheeled bikes offered into the 1990's?
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Originally Posted by dddd
(Post 17425312)
Model T is certainly not obsolete as a novelty or as a Model T club member's ride. It is obsolete as a highway or commuter transportation vehicle though.
Likewise, 27" tires aren't obsolete as tires for vintage-bike rider's bikes. They seem to be obsolete as a bicycle designer's choice of tire however. The latest year of bikes that I have owned which came with 27 inch tires is about 1988, and both the Motiv and Lotus were (albeit decent) low-end bikes. Bikes like the cheap "Firenze" giveaway bikes with 27" wheels were perhaps made a year or two longer, but these were truly at the department-store level of quality. Does anyone remember any 27 inch wheeled bikes offered into the 1990's? |
Originally Posted by dddd
(Post 17425312)
Model T is certainly not obsolete as a novelty or as a Model T club member's ride. It is obsolete as a highway or commuter transportation vehicle though.
Likewise, 27" tires aren't obsolete as tires for vintage-bike rider's bikes. They seem to be obsolete as a bicycle designer's choice of tire however. The latest year of bikes that I have owned which came with 27 inch tires is about 1988, and both the Motiv and Lotus were (albeit decent) low-end bikes. Bikes like the cheap "Firenze" giveaway bikes with 27" wheels were perhaps made a year or two longer, but these were truly at the department-store level of quality. Does anyone remember any 27 inch wheeled bikes offered into the 1990's? And if I remember correctly Walmart was selling new bikes with 27" tires as late as the late 90's. |
I wouldn't know the exact years off hand but higher end Fuji touring bikes used 27" rubber. Also, our 1980 Santana tandem is built with some of the best available components and strongest wheels for the era. It rides on 27 inch rubber.
Fuzzy memory, but sort of recall my brothers 1980ish higher end Miyata racer came with a 27" wheelset. Eventually he became envious of my Colnago vs. his prized Japanese ride. I traded him a pair of Galli rimmed 700c tubular set for a Pioneer car stereo....lol. Also, to make it work and brake reach, he had to swap out to some Modolo brakeset. |
I'd say that 27"/630mm tires and wheels are anachronistic, not necessarily obsolete.
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The 1991 Schwinn Voyageur is surprising to find 27" wheels on, though as a practical matter one could find this 1-1/4" tire size at all kind of retail stores where 700c tires are still not sold.
The only other models I've seen with 27" wheels that were sold new in the late 1980's had nutted rear axles, and other steel parts here and there such as rims, handlebars, chainrings, crankarms and rear hubshells. My 1984 Trek 720 retailed at over $850 and had 27" rims (Matrix-branded, dark-ano'd copies of the Super Champion Mod58). |
It's clear enough whether one should ride 27" wheels. It depends.
The remaining argument is over the meaning of the word obsolete. As such, it is a discussion of words, not machines. |
It really isn't a question of obsolescence, but rather a question as to what the manufacturers can sell. The two sizes, 622 and 630 are so close that it doesn't make sense to have two sizes, however there are enough 27 inch( 630),rims and wheels still being used , and some manufacturers still have the molds to produce 27" (630), that they continue to sell and make them. However they don't seem to be using their latest technology to produce wide, high performance tires in the 27" size as they are doing with 650B and 700C size tires.
Maybe one day in the future, manufacturers will discontinue 27" tires, and those who want the size to continue can organize to save it; just as the French did to keep 650B alive. -(à |
Originally Posted by ironwood
(Post 17428394)
It really isn't a question of obsolescence, but rather a question as to what the manufacturers can sell. The two sizes, 622 and 630 are so close that it doesn't make sense to have two sizes, however there are enough 27 inch( 630),rims and wheels still being used , and some manufacturers still have the molds to produce 27" (630), that they continue to sell and make them. However they don't seem to be using their latest technology to produce wide, high performance tires in the 27" size as they are doing with 650B and 700C size tires.
Maybe one day in the future, manufacturers will discontinue 27" tires, and those who want the size to continue can organize to save it; just as the French did to keep 650B alive. -(à You're right about the high performance 27" tire because no one races on those bikes anymore. The Conti Gatorskin is about as close as your going to get to a high performance tire. |
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