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Old 01-14-15, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by rootboy View Post
Take the crank arm with you, to assure that it fits.
Might be a problem if he can't get the arm off without said socket.
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Lowes, Ace Hardware, & Home Depot all sell loose sockets here, Ace has Craftsman Tools now also if a Sears isn't close by.

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Originally Posted by howeeee View Post
you can get 15 mm sockets at tool stores for as low as 50 cents
The problem is that most cheap sockets are too thick. Spend the extra $$$ on Craftsman or Snap-On and avoid hassle in the long run.
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Craftsman is now part of the Danaher family of companies. They are very focused on making companies efficient and profitable. I suspect the thicker walls was a result of "improvements" in the quality of the tools. BTW they also own Fluke and Tektronix for you electronic folks (or is that forks?)

And since we are on the subject of crank bolts, what self extracting bolts are your favorites?
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
Might be a problem if he can't get the arm off without said socket.
HA! Hadn't thought of that! Well…then bring the whole damnged bike with you. :>
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
The problem is that most cheap sockets are too thick. Spend the extra $$$ on Craftsman or Snap-On and avoid hassle in the long run.
Most of the Craftsman stuff is Chinese made now, it makes me so extremely sad. I know their ratchets are made in Taiwan now, but don't know about the sockets, if they are made in Taiwan as apposed to the mainland China, they are probably ok. That said, I just check whatever brand now a days "made in" information. Anywhere in Europe, USA, or Taiwan is typically pretty decent quality, I just have had no luck with Chinese made tools. The metallurgy never seems to be up to snuff. That said I haven't bought much new tools in awhile, so maybe the Chinese made hand tools are good enough now. Sears has at least kept there lifetime return policy.
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I got mine at Lowes after I found the one from my tool set didn't work, too large exterior diameter.

Bring your crank arm! The twelve sided kobalt fits. The 6 sided one DOES NOT FIT.
Good wrenching.
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didn't really anticipate this thread would go 3 pages!!!!

feeling loved overwhelmingly.

my el cheapo socket set has 'all' metric size from 8 to 19mm—thin wall, 12pt!—in each mm increment—of which the damn 15mm MIA now.
getting some help out locally and remotely, i might also be able to get one myself by this wknd.
gonna be ending up with a dozen of 15mm sockets?

it wasn't any emergency, broken down bike or anything like that.
just wanted to get the momentum of building one going, as i had been making really good progress and got stuck w one stupid tool.
trying to see if there's any alt solution other than a proper wrench or a socket, as a quick improvise.
(now it looks obviously none)

feel like one of my new year's resolutions—building minimum 5 bikes—is at a stake.
in fact, losing just a few days anyway in this freezing winter.

thanks folks again!
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Good tips from our mechanic, I use a bench grinder all the time, so glad to have one but I know that not everybody does.
As dddd shows there, a 5/8" socket ground down to fit can usually substitute for a 16mm socket for Stronglight (and Zeus, too?) since it's very close, especially if you have a cheap Taiwanese socket with sloppy tolerances.
If you have an SAE set that includes it, a 19/32" comes very close to 15mm and usually works in a pinch, if the tolerances are working in your favor!

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I've spun many a socket down against the bench grinder, takes about 4-5 minutes tops.

I've prefer using one of those one-piece "lug nut" style "X" wrenches with four different socket sizes, 12-13-14-15mm, made by "CCSC JAPAN".
I had to spin a couple of the tool's sockets against the grinder wheel to have both 14mm and 15mm handy. My socket for 16mm (Stronglight bolts) is just a separate, equivalent-sized 5/8" socket, again turned down against the grinder wheel.

I've got the Park tool and the ones that are integral with a crank puller, but the X-wrench spins those bolts out the fastest as it generously clears the pedals by having the long handle centered with each of any two opposing sockets extending only 4-1/2" from center.



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Originally Posted by unworthy1 View Post
Good tips from our mechanic, I use a bench grinder all the time, so glad to have one but I know that not everybody does.
As dddd shows there, a 5/8" socket ground down to fit can usually substitute for a 16mm socket for Stronglight (and Zeus, too?) since it's very close, especially if you have a cheap Taiwanese socket with sloppy tolerances.
If you have an SAE set that includes it, a 19/32" comes very close to 15mm and usually works in a pinch, if the tolerances are working in your favor!

i do have a SAE set within the el chepo socket combo, but the 19/32"—mentioned ealier—wasn't a fit. was tiny too small. maybe it's surprisingly not too sloppy, i guess.

btw, that Lug Nut Wrench in the previous photo is a KILLER!!!!
been searching over the net since i saw this yesterday with no luck. most of them are 17/19/20/21mm—which is normal for the automotive lug bolts. might have to contact my friends in J country.
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Originally Posted by orangeology View Post
i do have a SAE set within the el chepo socket combo, but the 19/32"—mentioned ealier—wasn't a fit. was tiny too small. maybe it's surprisingly not too sloppy, i guess.
I did not see 19/32" mentioned before, but did see 9/16" and yes that one will be too small since it's = to 14.28mm, however a 19/32" should be = to 15.081mm so unless the cheapo factory made it really way on the small end of tolerance, it should be a little bit bigger than an "A" fit.
YRMV of course, especially when it comes to cheap tools (BTDT too many times to count )
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my bad. confusion. you are right, sir.
9/16 was small, 19/32 didn't even get into the threaded hole, outside diameter being already too big.


Originally Posted by unworthy1 View Post
I did not see 19/32" mentioned before, but did see 9/16" and yes that one will be too small since it's = to 14.28mm, however a 19/32" should be = to 15.081mm so unless the cheapo factory made it really way on the small end of tolerance, it should be a little bit bigger than an "A" fit.
YRMV of course, especially when it comes to cheap tools (BTDT too many times to count )
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Originally Posted by ham View Post
Are you sure 9/16 is too small? Crank bolts are usually 14mm, not 15.
The classic Campy bolts were 15mm.
Most Shimano bolts I've found were 14mm.

One thing to keep in mind is that a 15mm socket is a tight squeeze to get into the crank arm.

If you're buying a socket, then make sure it fits. I ground a socket down in the past, but I've also found thinwall sockets that will work. Take a crank arm with you to the hardware shop
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Originally Posted by orangeology View Post
the more i read things, the closer it goes to Craftman socket @ Sears, it sounds.
had a quick run to REI alas they didn't have the Park Tool.
still at work—it's my 2 job day—not being able to do anything any more.
gonna calm down tonight and trying to drive out to Sears over the wknd, i guess.

those suggested LBS, thanks i know but this is more for stocking a proper home tool than just tightening the bolts.

that 14/15mm flippable Sugino socket wrench sounds really tempting. maybe i need to open a long term search on top of the Campy peanutbutter wrench.
I wouldn't bother looking for the Park Tool CCw-2 at any bike store; Park Tool discontinued it a long time ago. But there are others so you don't have to buy a Campy P-nut butter wrench unless you really want to pay the money to get one. 15mm crank wrench | eBay

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Same here, CroMo. Craftsman tools aint what they used to be.

They seem to have the R&D money to come out with a completely USELESS gadget tool set every year for Christmas though. If they only knew that guys who use tools want GOOD tools, not gadgets.,,,,BD


Seriously? Who comes up with this junk?

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It is sad. But then, one could name endless examples of stuff that aint what it used to be. Bikes, for instance.
I have an old Craftsman 1/2 drive ratchet and socket set from before WWII. The quality is amazing.
But, back then, most quality was.
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Things aren't as good as they used to be back in the good old days, and never were.

But some things are worse.
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Things aren't as good as they used to be back in the good old days, and never were.

But some things are worse.
Such as my memory of how things used to be.
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totally failing to control my anxiety, 3 different 15mm socket wrenches are on the way.
with nervous breakdown, i had to take some measures i guess.

when you realized, all you have in your hands is a bunch of receipts you know...

I:
thin-walled 15mm socket made by Stahlwille Germany. the only socket comes with OD dimension 'specified'. dang Germans.
OD is 20.6mm. measured the crank arm bolt hole, it was around 20.9mm. if no unseen prob, this will replace the missing one in the socket set.


II:
NOS Snap-on made crank wrench on ebay here . price was too good to pass. having a hex on the other hand is a plus.
i can live with losing 8 bucks if not the best.


III:
Japanese handmade "crosu-lench' (cross wrench in their dub). a baby size lug-bolt-wrench looking 4-way one.

13/14/15mm + one hex 6H. kinda cool. en route from J country.


some learnings:

1. Craftman socket at Sears are NOT compatible w crank arms any more with stupidly thick wall. older models—on the web—with 'laser etching' marks would work, new ones with 'printed' marks at the store NO.

2. with my short experience of bike hobby, i've only seen 15mm bolt or 8mm hex self-extracting sort. but i am in preparation of dealing with 14 and 16mm size, going forward.

3. still don't understand why all the peanut butter wrenches are that expensive. Campy, TA, VAR all o' them. it doesn't seem they are that rare. i usually do respect pricing on certain vintage stuffs and marquess. but what's it w PB wrenches?

happy wrenching!

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Please, what site did you find the Japanese lug wrench?

thanks
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Wow, that sounds like some good winter fun back in the NYC vicinity. So the bench grinder is a no-go? I had to modify the thick walls of the lugnut wrench sockets, the 15mm socket was particularly thick-walled, so took a good while, lots o' grinding dust.

I'm glad that someone here snagged that Wrench Force 7x15mm wrench, I was actually going to post about how good I thought that mine was. These went out of fashion as newer crank/bb architectures largely took over, so I bought mine for a song as overstock even though it remains very useful around here. It's quite well made and the socket is thin, plus it's a lot harder to lose than is the typical 7mm Allen wrench.

I also have this one, seems like it's part of a set with the bigger one. I like the long handles that the sockets are mounted on, easy on the hands.


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Please, what site did you find the Japanese lug wrench?

thanks
Amazon.jp, sir.
searched "cross wrench" in japanese, a bunch came out.
most of them are still for lug nut bolts, having 17, 19, 21 etc, but there also were several only for bikes, motorbikes.
guessing from its name, this was for bmw motorbikes.

Amazon.co.jp: KDR(**********) **********??? BWW-7 6H131415: DIY???

again, several interesting combinations in terms of bolt sizes, also different materials.
mine was made out carbon steel, not too much 'chromed' which the way i like.
a good friend of mine in Japan ordered it for me right away and gonna send it US in exchange of some american snacks and cookies her family's been craving to get.




and yes. talking on 15mm socket for days and days with no boredom. we are nuts. love it.
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Wow, that sounds like some good winter fun back in the NYC vicinity. So the bench grinder is a no-go? I had to modify the thick walls of the lugnut wrench sockets, the 15mm socket was particularly thick-walled, so took a good while, lots o' grinding dust.

I'm glad that someone here snagged that Wrench Force 7x15mm wrench, I was actually going to post about how good I thought that mine was. These went out of fashion as newer crank/bb architectures largely took over, so I bought mine for a song as overstock even though it remains very useful around here. It's quite well made and the socket is thin, plus it's a lot harder to lose than is the typical 7mm Allen wrench.

I also have this one, seems like it's part of a set with the bigger one. I like the long handles that the sockets are mounted on, easy on the hands.
yes, thanks for the link. moment i saw it among the bunch, it was like mine. love old-school discontinued tool w un-resistable price.
bench grinder, definitely feasible but kinda not snazzy option in our area—as @oddjob pointed out.
and i do most of my bike work at late night after work.

love the Y wrench. there's one Hozan made—love Hozan tools. i've got a few: pedal wrench, lockring wrench and some cone wrenches—8. 9. 10.
Rivendell is the only place sells them, meaning not very super affordable relatively, but i am gonna get it one day.

for small size, i have a complete metric socket set with every mm step + 2/1" driver ratchet.
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