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Started Building a new Waterford Paramount today 1992 model

Old 01-13-15, 02:45 PM
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Started Building a new Waterford Paramount today 1992 model

Just started build on a NOS 1992 58CM Waterford Paramount. I have Gold Campy brakes coming, and the rest of the bike will be the Black Campagnolo rare 1981 group. The spindle I had was too short for some reason on the Strada crank I want to use, but for now just threw on A Chorus Campy that worked. Will update as progress continues. Ordered the last UNION JACK WHITE Brooks saddle for her today also. Have new Dura Ace Bar Cons ( old School ) w/stainless cables, and white toe clip straps and white cinelli cork tape, white brake cable housing. Those Mavic SSC wheels just came from a collector in Belgium supposedly from the Gitane Hinalult 1979 team, the team stickers are on it and the Regina is marked Renault Gitane. Will have to wash my hands every time I touch her. OH, and the real KATIESMALLS on guard duty in 2nd Picture. And just added sir Francis, Katiesmalls soulmate, about to be sick on my boat
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Old 01-13-15, 02:51 PM
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Way to go! Can't wait to see progress.
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That is going to be nice. Beautiful frame.
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That's going to be fun!

Katiesmalls looks fearsome. I suspect the bones of her victims are strewn about the garage.
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She literally ( I swear ) does not have enough jaw pressure to eat small dog hard food, she will carry and chew a piece around until its finally soggy enough for her to break. She is too funny.
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She literally ( I swear ) does not have enough jaw pressure to eat small dog hard food, she will carry and chew a piece around until its finally soggy enough for her to break. She is too funny.
Ahhh... so she digests her prey before eating it- reveling in the pain and fear she imparts upon those who foolishly challenge her dominance and charge!

All hail Katiesmalls! Glorious Warrior Princess!
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I fully expect that you'll be scratching her under her chin and saying "who's my pretty little bloodthirsty warrior princess" in doggy baby talk.
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Just a quick mock up to see where things are going

Not rideable, but good a good start, where is Katiesmalls derelecting her guard duty. Joining the premium club this evening or tomorrow to try and get rid of stuff I am not using.. Back to PDG, originally was planning on using these, but I think the silver goes better, any thoughts?
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So, in 1992 Waterford was making PDG Paramounts,
as well as Schwinn's PDG group making OS Series Paramounts?

I've never seen one like yours (gorgeous) but I have a soft spot for the '92 PDG OS Series 7 in 650c.
GREAT handler, quite a learning curve on the 56/42 crankset/650c wheel/11-26 rear.

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Hey Robbie, I don't know much about them. I worked in a Schwinn shop my whole younger life from the early 70's until the early 90's. I was kinda adopted by the owner. But, we always had Paramounts in the shop and ordered many also, but they ware always Schwinn Paramounts. I personally must have kept schwinn in business by the amount of Super Le tour 12.2s' 23 inch that I owned. ALL were that very nice quality Japanese Chrome. W/O exaggeration after crashes, selling, being a kid trading for who knows what there had to be 20. Not sure exactly how this new PARAMOUNT stuff works. Mine is pretty, thank you, but it does not have the ornate exotic lugs I always associated with artisan Craftsmanship frame building, like the old Legnanos, frejus, Hutchins, Heck even Lotus. As a Schwinn technician, every year I attended the Schwinn training school in Edison NJ for two weeks. someone representing the shop had to go, pass, and keep the shop certified. But it was mostly rebuilding SA hubs, adjusting damaged frame, assembly, and building lacing wheels. The final test was a bin of parts that had to be assembled into a SA 5 Speed hub, W/O left over pawls and springs. I ordered myself a special present, I can't talk about it here because Wife may stumble on site by accident, but will post pics next weekend or so when it comes. Ride Safe, Life is Good
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I bet @Scooper can sort out the Waterford/PDG timeline.
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That is a sharp-looking bike! I also covet your rather expansive garage space -- because of setback requirements and my wife's rose garden, I was able to build only a code minimum two-car garage, which does not leave me much space around the cars.
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Originally Posted by Katiesmalls View Post
Just started build on a NOS 1992 58CM Waterford Paramount. I have Gold Campy brakes coming, and the rest of the bike will be the Black Campagnolo rare 1981 group. The spindle I had was too short for some reason on the Strada crank I want to use, but for now just threw on A Chorus Campy that worked. Will update as progress continues. Ordered the last UNION JACK WHITE Brooks saddle for her today also. Have new Dura Ace Bar Cons ( old School ) w/stainless cables, and white toe clip straps and white cinelli cork tape, white brake cable housing. Those Mavic SSC wheels just came from a collector in Belgium supposedly from the Gitane Hinalult 1979 team, the team stickers are on it and the Regina is marked Renault Gitane. Will have to wash my hands every time I touch her. OH, and the real KATIESMALLS on guard duty in 2nd Picture

Really nice bike, I like Paramounts. I also like your Honda CB1100F, I had one brand new, fantastic bikes. I put the Honda Sport Handling kit on mine. Mine was Also Blue and white, oh the Memories......
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Michael thanks, who knew they would be classics, the KZs, GS1100s, the Big Secas, The Turbo's, and how many CBXs went through my hands. I had a KZ1300 6 cyl that I sold because I couldn't get through NYC traffic with it LOL. Anyway, a more updated pic of the Paramount. To everyone! LIFE IS GOOD BE HAPPY BE SAFE
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I had a Kz1100 MkII, and it was classic(ly) heavy, ponderous, ill-handling, and of course, murderously fast in WFO mode. I had a great seat for watching a Seca Turbo get away from a guy, probably went 300' or more once he came off. If I could only have one (including my Low Rider), I'd still want an Eddie Lawson (original) 750GPz. That's the one that got away, because I let the magazines convince me the 1100GPz was going to be the "last fast bike." Then, the CARB decided against catalytic converters, the 700c tariff went into effect, and all of a sudden, 699cc rockets were everywhere.....that was long ago, when 140mph was very very fast on a production motorcycle.

Not that I ever rode that fast, on purpose.
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Originally Posted by Katiesmalls View Post
OH, and the real KATIESMALLS on guard duty in 2nd Picture
Why do I think that an intruder would mainly have to fear being licked to death?
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Katie wakes up ever morning tail wagging, so full of life and what the day may bring. I swear she smiles ever morning, and her tail goes a thousand motions in every direction, its surprising she doesn't take off. What a great way to go thru life, something we could all learn from. Just pure sweet happiness.

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The original Eddie Lawson I know of was Green, the 1000, maybe 80,81. I know Eddie rode a 750on the track, but, did they have a 750 model made for him for sale? Anyway, It was between that and the new Katana, silver with the orange, looked like a dog trying to making pooh, bent over LOL, I went with a 1982 KZ1000J black, from Camrod motors in NYC 57st. Getting too old to remember past that. My one wish if i had was the 650 honda turbo I sold for $1000, darn magazines convinced me it wasn't fast either. As too speed, I did work for NY so that is all I will admit too. But, I had a 1993 GPZ1100 ( black w/that purplish no it wasn't pink GPZ1100 sticker ) that the needle got stuck at 180mph on the Northway in NYS at Americade weekend. The trooper was pissed, but I had my get out of jail card badge/shield so I am here today laughing at it. I apologize to the pizza store owner also, no it wasn't funny then or now, and those pizza shovels do hurt, but why make a pizza store so close to the rail road tracks that had doors a Motorcycle could fit through?. I bought that bike on a credit card so I wouldn't have to pay NYS fire and theft, $4500 a year and the bike was only $9000, because as far as Kawasaki MCY credit part was concerned, I owned it. Two weeks after buying it a scumbag in the S. Bronx stole it and for 3 years I paid it off w/o ever seeing it. I hope his family slowly dies of cancer, truly, no forgiveness. Mean? maybe but honest, I did nothing bad to them and they hurt my whole family with that. Anyway, on a more positive happier note, life is very good and I am enjoying retirement. Would love to chat one day more. Somewhere on my cell phone I have a picture of me) found it, ( I,m the caucasion, 1978 or so, and a bouncer good friend who use to work in the East Village in Manhattan on 8th St, and the 1300 tank visible. Lower East Side NYC alphabet City, Delancey St, Little Italy, what a war zone, literally like a Mad Max Movie scene. Funny sometimes you look/think back, how did I make it this far???
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Robbie, not sure if you are keeping up with the motorcycle stuff but this year 2015, Kawasaki came out with 300 limited editions 1400's in the original red/black GPZ color scheme. they are about $14,000. Don't know how I could hide that from wifey though. At least the new Anniversary Paramount I ordered that is coming on Thursday can be hidden in the attic. " NO its not a new another bike, Its the same Black one you saw here last week. I Don't know why there are two? Its the same one!!! It only looks like two with both eyes open, if you stand here- "Why are you always starting a fight" LOL

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I bought my NOS Paramount OS frame in 2008 from an LBS that had it on display since 1992. Per the folks at Waterford, it was about the last frame built there before Schwinn packed it in.

I built it up with black components. It's a joy to ride, light, supple and responsive.



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Verktyg, do you remember by any chance the length of the bottom bracket spindle please? I know it's English, but how long is it? Beautiful bike, by the way, red is striking.
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Verktyg, do you remember by any chance the length of the bottom bracket spindle please? I know it's English, but how long is it? Beautiful bike, by the way, red is striking.
Thanks...

I used a black Suntour Superbe Pro crankset with a Campy 111mm Veloce BB cartridge. which is a perfect fit.



You BB length is going to to depend on the crankset you want to use. The BB shell is standard 68mm wide with British threads. It looks like you have a Campy Triomphe crankset. These take a 116mm long BB axle, the same as the standard Nuovo Record.

The victory cranks are almost the same but they take a 109mm long spindle???

Triomphe cranks



Victory cranks



They both use the same 116mm BCD chainrings. The early 80s Grand Sport Touring cranks do too.

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Fine bike, to say nothing of the rest of the toys in your garage. Enjoy!
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Hey Robbie, I don't know much about them.
Your frame is a 1993 I believe, not 1992. The '92 Waterford Paramounts had a big Paramount decal on the top tube. In '93 it was the PDG decal.

Schwinn 1993 Paramount -- Waterford

Schwinn 1992 Paramount -- Waterford Road
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The location of your shifter cable stops also tells the tale. In '93 they were located on the side of the headtube like yours since downtube shifters were going out of style by then. '92 and earlier has downtube shifter bosses.
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