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mighty_mess 02-04-15 01:22 PM

Huret Eco-s or challenger 2 and hanger adaptator claw
 
Hi,

I'm building up a cheap bike with scavenged parts. I've got a huret Eco-s but the frame I'm using doesn't have a hanger. I'm wondering if the derailleur would work with a common adaptator claw?

Ps: sorry, writting from my phone, not easy!

mighty_mess 02-04-15 01:43 PM

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(I moved to my laptop as this was getting ridiculous with the phone.)


I've attached some photos, I know this derailleur is cheap but I like the idea of spending as little money as possible on this bike.
I've read that Huret and Simplex had their own hanger designs but that sometimes some Huret & Simplex could be attached to campagnolo hanger.

I've also mentioned a Challenger 2, because I might be able to get one. I have no idea which is best.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432438http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432439http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432440http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432441http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432442

this a claw adaptator on ebay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3910429222...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

The Golden Boy 02-04-15 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by mighty_mess (Post 17528381)
Hi,

I'm building up a cheap bike with scavenged parts. I've got a huret Eco-s but the frame I'm using doesn't have a hanger. I'm wondering if the derailleur would work with a common adaptator claw?

Ps: sorry, writting from my phone, not easy!

As long as you have all the parts (don't the Huret RDs have some fancy keyed washer that's necessary?) I would imagine it *should* be just the same as a hanger...




EDIT:

If you're thinking of spending 4 pounds on a claw, I'd just keep looking for a good, used derailleur. I've seen some QUALITY RDs go for like $10 on eBay.

mighty_mess 02-04-15 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by The Golden Boy (Post 17528500)
As long as you have all the parts (don't the Huret RDs have some fancy keyed washer that's necessary?) I would imagine it *should* be just the same as a hanger...

Thank you for the reply Golden boy, I know next to nothing about derailleur, so this bike will help me practice. When you say "same as a hanger" do you mean "same as the adaptor on ebay" or that the hanger on the derailleur will do? If you're talking about the hanger on the derailleur, my frame doesn't have the little hole for the little screw on the hanger, does that not matter?


Originally Posted by The Golden Boy (Post 17528500)

If you're thinking of spending 4 pounds on a claw, I'd just keep looking for a good, used derailleur. I've seen some QUALITY RDs go for like $10 on eBay.

yeah, I know but I've got the front, rear derailleur and gear levers already from huret. Might be stupid but I like it being the same brand. All those parts came from a old peugeot premiere that would have been too small for me.
EDIT: Maybe I should have mentioned that this is going to be my "pub" bike, something that I can play with but not be gutted if someone nicked it.

mighty_mess 02-04-15 02:58 PM

Maybe I should just try it... and see what happens :)

The Golden Boy 02-04-15 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by mighty_mess (Post 17528638)
Maybe I should just try it... and see what happens :)

Yes, Go for it! You're not going to break anything!
Your claw just goes in the dropout- the little screw portion goes to the rear of the dropout slot, tighten it up, then the axle nut or quick release holds it in place tightly.

I used this Suntour one on my old Raleigh..

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640.../9mar10013.jpg

mighty_mess 02-04-15 03:40 PM

Yes, you're right, worst that can happen is that the gears don't shift properly. Nothing to loose!

Thanks again for your replies

non-fixie 02-04-15 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by mighty_mess (Post 17528638)
Maybe I should just try it... and see what happens :)

Good idea. I didn't care much for Huret, as it doesn't look very classy (with the exception of the Jubilee RD), but I've revised my opinion after a week of riding a Huret-equiped bike. It actually works very well.

MalcolmsFrejus 02-04-15 03:53 PM

mighty_mess, if those are photos of your Eco and the dropout on your bike, it will work.
That is a Huret adapter claw.
Looks like the screw that fits in the back of the dropout is in backwards and missing the nut.
The nut is proprietary and shaped like a mushroom. The smaller part fits in the dropout slot.
On the other hand, it may be in backwards because it works the way it is.
Those derailleurs actually shift pretty well.

mighty_mess 02-05-15 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by MalcolmsFrejus (Post 17528774)
mighty_mess, if those are photos of your Eco and the dropout on your bike, it will work.
That is a Huret adapter claw.

Cool, yes these are the actual parts (derailleur and bike).


Originally Posted by MalcolmsFrejus (Post 17528774)
Looks like the screw that fits in the back of the dropout is in backwards and missing the nut.
The nut is proprietary and shaped like a mushroom. The smaller part fits in the dropout slot.
On the other hand, it may be in backwards because it works the way it is.
Those derailleurs actually shift pretty well.

There is a nut, hard to see on the photo, it's just a simple nut though. I was wondering if it was backward so the screw didn't touch the cassette.

I will give it a go this week-end and report back.

mighty_mess 02-05-15 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by non-fixie (Post 17528753)
Good idea. I didn't care much for Huret, as it doesn't look very classy (with the exception of the Jubilee RD), but I've revised my opinion after a week of riding a Huret-equiped bike. It actually works very well.

Nice, I look forward to try it now :)

non-fixie 02-05-15 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by mighty_mess (Post 17529890)
Nice, I look forward to try it now :)

Hope you like it as much as I do. BTW, I wouldn't mind a picture of the actual bike.

mighty_mess 02-05-15 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by non-fixie (Post 17529961)
Hope you like it as much as I do. BTW, I wouldn't mind a picture of the actual bike.

Haha, of course. It's not a great bike, nothing special. Just an old early 80s Emmelle (Raleigh like?) with old parts. No 531 or 501, but I like to rid it to the pub or in town. A part from the frame and saddle, all the rest used to be on an 80s premiere peugeot that was too small for me. The owner of the peugeot painted the wheels black! Don't know why. I need to remove that paint to get the chrome back. Paint doesn't even stick on chrome properly anyway.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432571http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432572http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432573http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432574http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432575

EDIT: Bar tape is new, as well as the bell

repechage 02-05-15 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by non-fixie (Post 17528753)
Good idea. I didn't care much for Huret, as it doesn't look very classy (with the exception of the Jubilee RD), but I've revised my opinion after a week of riding a Huret-equiped bike. It actually works very well.

I have one Challenger rear mech. There was a version that worked well on a Campagnolo dropout as this bike has that combo. The shifters are a bit heavy as they are steel. It shifts pretty darn well for style it is, not being a slant parallelogram.
I do find though that after a shift that I find myself reaching down to fine tune the alignment, I think the design of the jockey wheels allows more tolerance than I wish for.i run mine over a 14-26 and it has an easier time moving to the 26 than a Campagnolo does.

non-fixie 02-05-15 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by mighty_mess (Post 17530026)

That looks promising!

In the best if-you-show-me-yours-I'll-show-you mine tradition: here's my current "Huret ride", a fairly low end Mercier, with the dorky bits removed and a nicely worn Brooks from the parts bin. Smoothest-riding bike I own.

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Grotefoto-IFYFSTJV.jpg

mighty_mess 02-06-15 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by non-fixie (Post 17530117)
That looks promising!

In the best if-you-show-me-yours-I'll-show-you mine tradition: here's my current "Huret ride", a fairly low end Mercier, with the dorky bits removed and a nicely worn Brooks from the parts bin. Smoothest-riding bike I own.

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Grotefoto-IFYFSTJV.jpg

Yours looks much better, it's a Mercier! Looks nice, I like the crank's design.

non-fixie 02-12-15 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by mighty_mess (Post 17532865)
Yours looks much better, it's a Mercier! Looks nice, I like the crank's design.

Well, yours absolutely has the same potential. Nice-looking parts do not have to be expensive. This chain set is a good example. These Nervar sets came on many seventies' mid-range bikes, and were cheap (presumably) copies of the beautiful Stronglight - Simplex sets that the really nice bikes had in the fifties and sixties. (example of the classic Stronglight/Simplex combo)

There is not much love for steel cottered cranks these days, so you should be able to pick up a nice set for next to nothing or even a bike that has them. Remove the chain protector, polish if necessary and presto! Oh, and they ride nice too. Their weight adds a certain smoothness to the pedaling experience that I quite like on a touring bike.

Before:

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Grotefoto-AED3KQA3.jpg

After:

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Grotefoto-HETSGQQA.jpg

mighty_mess 02-12-15 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by non-fixie (Post 17548845)
Well, yours absolutely has the same potential. Nice-looking parts do not have to be expensive. This chain set is a good example. These Nervar sets came on many seventies' mid-range bikes, and were cheap (presumably) copies of the beautiful Stronglight - Simplex sets that the really nice bikes had in the fifties and sixties. (example of the classic Stronglight/Simplex combo)

There is not much love for steel cottered cranks these days, so you should be able to pick up a nice set for next to nothing or even a bike that has them. Remove the chain protector, polish if necessary and presto! Oh, and they ride nice too. Their weight adds a certain smoothness to the pedaling experience that I quite like on a touring bike.

Before:

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Grotefoto-AED3KQA3.jpg

After:

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Grotefoto-HETSGQQA.jpg

That's true, I used to have a low-end but good looking cottered crank on this bike. Which I also cleaned. The BB broke one day and I decided to go cotterless and gave the old crank to my local bike charity. You're right I see beautiful cottered cranks for not much ebay.

JohnDThompson 02-12-15 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by mighty_mess (Post 17528439)
I know this derailleur is cheap but I like the idea of spending as little money as possible on this bike.
I've read that Huret and Simplex had their own hanger designs but that sometimes some Huret & Simplex could be attached to campagnolo hanger.

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...p;d=1423078951

If this is the derailleur you have, it already has the appropriate Huret-style hanger.

This will not work with a Huret derailleur, unless you have the proper adapter plate.


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