Is this a Gios?
 

Hi all. New to the forum and new to cycling. Currently only commute to and from work on a Trek Soho but keen to get into riding with my brother on the weekends on a classic steel ride. Hence this post. Looking at a bike on eBay which says its a Gios Torino Super Record but reading up on these awesome bikes I'm growing more and more sceptical on the authenticity of this one. Apart from not having any Campy Record gear on it, the forks don't look like any I've seen on the net (I do like the Wolber sticker though!). That said, the bike appears to be an early model and has potentially had the original parts replaced by these parts. So, if anyone out there can give me some idea of whether this is the genuine article or not I'd really appreciate it. I've posted all of the pics from the add and have tried contacting the seller for more pics (particularly of under the bottom bracket) but have not received anything as yet. I know this one needs a bucket load of work but am happy to fix it up over time if its the real deal.

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I think you're right to ask for more pics. Hard to say but I would only touch that bike with those pics if I was in a gambling mood. International EBay? I couldn't find it on US site.

There was (might still be) a 1969 or so Gios Torino presented on ebay as a buy it now offering.
I would compare the details on that to the bike you have shown.
The bike appears interesting, but I would hesitate to proclaim it a Gios.

I would bet that frame was built in the UK, not Italy.

Not a Gios. You can confirm by asking for a closeup of the stay end treatment; in the one large pic they appear to be rounded vice scalloped. Ask for a pic of the seatlug cluster, too.

DD

Exactly. That, the fork bend, and the shot-in stays are all UK production bike standards. No Italian would put a kink in a fork leg like that.

Rather than posting photos of components, you should post shots of the seat tube cluster, head tube, bottom bracket, dropouts and other FRAME details. A person could put virtually any mix of components on any frame, regardless of the quality. Photos of components shed virtually no light on the authenticity of the frame, unless those photos also show key frame details.

agree that it's almost certainly NOT as labeled (not a Gios) but it might be a good bike of another pedigree: the headlugs and forkcrown look well crafted but can't judge anything else with those (mainly component) shots.
More and better shots of frame details may help solve the mystery...I might gamble on it as-is if I was in the market for another bike (not) and if the price was low enough.

I think it's a fake.

Looking at those photos I'd say no. It's almpst as if the seller has selected photos which show not identifiable elements of the frame. Ask for a seat cluster shot, underside of BB, and a decent shot of the head tube lugs, maybe those would help.

Whatever it is I'd say 1973ish, early good Shimano stuff...crank a Sugino from the era, campy copy 171mm crank arm length.

Several brands of bikes from the Torino area used similar features, especially the seat stay caps. These were "Torino" craftsman identifying features. This bike does not have "Torino" features.