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Old 02-12-15, 09:55 PM
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Help with Bottle Cage identification

Anyone know the manufacturer of these bottle cages? Not sure if they are stainless or titanium. I did a Google image search and did not find anything. Appreciate the help.

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might be a Blackburn cage and might be stainless steel (the TI with similar bracket had 3 points of contact with the cage, so I'd guess NOT TI)
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Old 02-13-15, 10:13 PM
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Is there an easy way to determine the diff between Ti and stainless s ? I'm kinda in the same boat as turbodrabbit

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It looks similar (but not identical) to a King Cage. They come in both stainless steel and titanium.
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Originally Posted by 3speedslow View Post
Is there an easy way to determine the diff between Ti and stainless s ? I'm kinda in the same boat as turbodrabbit
A really strong magnet shows some attraction to stainless, at least on the stainless bits I've tested.
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Originally Posted by dddd View Post
A really strong magnet shows some attraction to stainless, at least on the stainless bits I've tested.
Depends in the grade of stainless steel. the lower grades are magnetic. Higher grades like 316 and 310 aren't.
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Old 02-14-15, 01:22 AM
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What is the weight, I can then compare with King Cage titanium
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So it must matter to you what brand of cage that you have but should you really care is the question. its not an unusual design. Its not flashy or even interesting to look at. There are many brands that still make that style of cage, as mentioned blackburn has one that looks very similar.

yes it has the old timey look as compared to the carbon fiber offerings available today but you would really be splitting hairs to tell the difference.

If it holds a bottle then awesome. if you like it, even better but come on.

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Originally Posted by turbodrabbit View Post
Anyone know the manufacturer of these bottle cages? Not sure if they are stainless or titanium. I did a Google image search and did not find anything. Appreciate the help.
Looks very similar to some Avenir cages I have. Brand name maybe on the outside of the photo's lower section if it hasn't worn away.

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Old 02-14-15, 06:19 AM
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So it must matter to you what brand of cage that you have
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Maybe he wants to identify it to put it on eboy.
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Old 02-14-15, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by catonec View Post
So it must matter to you what brand of cage that you have but should you really care is the question.

sorry, had to say it.
So the REAL question is why would it matter to you that it matters to him? It does. If we only posted topics that we thought other BF's thought mattered, this would be a forum about trying to correct other peoples thoughts, values, perceptions, etc. Individually, we own that responsibility and care about respecting each other's personalities. The OP asked a straightforward question which deserves a straightforward answer. I don't think he asked for analysis of who he is.

sorry, had to say it.
@Turborabbit - I don't know but one way to find out is to compare weights. Ti is about 56% less than SS.
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Old 02-14-15, 07:07 AM
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Have the same cage and it is Ti, do not know the manufacture.
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Old 02-14-15, 07:44 AM
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Most of my bikes don't have mounts for a water bottle. A couple have one mount. And a couple have two mounts. And as a general rule, I put a bottle cage in each mount. And if there are two, i like them to match. So i imagine OP has this one cage he likes, and a frame that will accept two. Rather than buy two new matching bottle cages, he wants to identify the one he has, and get another just like it.

TI and stainless are different colors. We all know the color of stainless; TI is a little duller, a little darker, a little grayer. You should be able to tell. If you can't tell, it's probably stainless.
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Besides the texture and color, the Ti cage will be significantly lighter (20g) than the stainless one. Specifically, the Ti King Cage is 28g while the stainless version is 48g.

The price to lose that 20 grams is $42; Ti version is $60 and the stainless version is $18.
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Originally Posted by SJX426 View Post
So the REAL question is why would it matter to you that it matters to him? It does. If we only posted topics that we thought other BF's thought mattered, this would be a forum about trying to correct other peoples thoughts, values, perceptions, etc. Individually, we own that responsibility and care about respecting each other's personalities. The OP asked a straightforward question which deserves a straightforward answer. I don't think he asked for analysis of who he is.

sorry, had to say it.
@Turborabbit - I don't know but one way to find out is to compare weights. Ti is about 56% less than SS.
Youre right, it doesn't bug me so much, just typing thoughts as i have them. Dont mind me. Good luck finding your answer op
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I thank everybody for their 2 cents and also to Turbodrabbit for his thread posting.
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Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
Depends in the grade of stainless steel. the lower grades are magnetic. Higher grades like 316 and 310 aren't.
It's a little more complicated than that. The two main types of stainless steels are austenitic and ferritic, each of which exhibits a different atomic arrangement. Due to this difference, ferritic stainless steels are generally magnetic while austenitic stainless steels usually are not.

The metallic atoms in an austenitic stainless steel are arranged on a face-centered cubic (fcc) lattice. The unit cell of an fcc crystal consists of a cube with an atom at each of the cube's eight corners and an atom at the center of each of the six faces. In a ferritic stainless steel, however, the metallic atoms are located on a body-centered (bcc) lattice.



Why don't magnets work on some stainless steels? | Scientific American
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Sure looks unusual. Curious if it requires a special bottle.
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Sure looks unusual. Curious if it requires a special bottle.
It took me a minute to figure out the picture was taken from the side and bottom of the cage. I think it's just the perspective that makes it look unusual.
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Doesn't look like my new king cage. Also the king cage I have was stamped "KING CAGE" on the top mount and "USA SS" on the bottom mount. Also has smooth radius bends instead of the angular bends shown in OPs picture. Sooooo, probably not a king cage unless he changed the way he makes them.

King Cage - Bicycle waterbottle cages handmade in Durango, CO

Interesting about the different types of SS, didn't know that. Thanks @Scooper.

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Doesn't look like my new king cage. Also the king cage I have was stamped "KING CAGE" on the top mount and "USA SS" on the bottom mount. Also has smooth radius bends instead of the angular bends shown in OPs picture. Sooooo, probably not a king cage unless he changed the way he makes them.

Interesting about the different types of SS, didn't know that. Thanks @Scooper.
I agree it's probably not a King Cage because of the angular bends, but it's similar in design and size and probably weighs about the same as a King Cage.

The reason I posted the link about stainless steel and magnetism is because it really has nothing to do with whether it's "high grade" or "low grade" stainless. Reynolds 953 strongly attracts a magnet, but it would hardly be classified as a "low grade" stainless steel.

The raw material for 953 is Carpenter Technology Custom 455 and has an ultimate tensile strength of up to 2,050 MPa, a hardness of 44 HRc, an elongation of 14%, and is very corrosion resistant. It is used to fabricate landing gear on carrier based jet aircraft, and the gear is exposed to lots of high stress abuse and salt water spray. It's also used for armor plating.

This photo shows it has a relatively high magnetic attraction (8 on a scale of 0 to 11).

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It's a little more complicated than that. The two main types of stainless steels are austenitic and ferritic...
Wow, too much information! But very good information! And impressive. It never ceases to amaze me the breadth of knowledge and subject matter scattered throughout C&V. I've always known that some stainless steels, perhaps all in my limited experience, were non-magnetic. Now I have some idea why (if I really knew why magnetic forces acted at all).
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Thank you to everyone who responded in a productive manner, quite a bit of knowledge on this forum. There is also a bunch of sad passive aggressive individuals trolling like every public forum, I hope someday you find peace in your life. *Virtual Hug*

I have the cage mounted on my Trek 400, matches the scheme nicely.
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Wow, too much information! I've always known that some stainless steels, perhaps all in my limited experience, were non-magnetic. Now I have some idea why (if I really knew why magnetic forces acted at all).
The thing that got me thinking about this (and it was many many years ago) was when I used a magnet strip to hold cooking utensils above a chopping block. Nothing gets your attention like flinging a knife against the magnet (snap!), then another (snap!) and then one just drops (thud!) into the block! IF you were lucky that is...into your flesh if you were NOT.
It was then I starting looking into the different grades of stainless.
There's no such thing as "too much information" about some topics!
And I completely agree with Scooper that it's incorrect to think of the different grades as "high" and "low": there are simply appropriate uses for any material.
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Originally Posted by turbodrabbit
........sad passive aggressive individuals...........
I suppose I had that coming, but nothing about my statements were passive, I think I was being pretty straight forward and honest.
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