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Brake Pads for Vintage Weinmann Center Pulls?

Old 03-03-15, 03:23 PM
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Brake Pads for Vintage Weinmann Center Pulls?

Hey all, I am just curious what the best brake pad replacement would be for vintage set of Weinmann Center Pull Brakes. These are on a late 1970's Atala Grand Prix.

I have heard about the Kool Stop Continentals and Supra 2's but also that there may be clearance issues. I just wanted to ask from those who have used these pads, or any other pads which would be recommended for the Weinmann before I order online.

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Almost every set of Kool Stop Continentals I own squeal. I've toed in, beveled rear of the pad with file, etc. They're very grippy.

Note: I have replaced several sets with the Grey Matter ones and problem solved.

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Dia Compe "Gray Matter" pads are another possible option. Cheap, but well-regarded.
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The only pads I buy for myself are Kool Stop. Sometimes I acquire a caliper that comes with something that works well, and I'll keep them, but I only buy Kool Stop. Shimanos and Tektros often work well.
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I run Kool Stops on my wife's cannondale 26 inch wheels and she loves them. No noise and grippy, especially in the rain.
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every set of Kool Stop Continentals I own squeal. I've toed in, beveled rear of the pad with file, etc.
put KS Continentals on the CLB sidepulls on My Mk2 Brompton and no squealing at all .
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I use Kool Stop brake pads on my old Weinmann center pull brakes. Instead of futzing around with the shoes, I got the Kool Stop shoes too. The pads were already installed. No problems setting up and they work very well.
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Thanks for the feedback so far everyone. Foes any have the kool stop supra pads?
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Why not get the standard Kool Stop Weinmann centerpull replacement pads? That'll give you a vintage look and excellent braking.



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I use the Kool Stop Cyclocross Linear pads with good success on my center pulls for the my Moto Grand Jubile. Little thinner profile if that's what you're going for as well.

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Originally Posted by Velocivixen View Post
Almost every set of Kool Stop Continentals I own squeal. I've toed in, beveled rear of the pad with file, etc. They're very grippy.

Note: I have replaced several sets with the Grey Matter ones and problem solved.
Can you post photos of the toe in that you set trying to eliminate the squeal? My Kool Stops, on several bikes, tended to squeal when I first installed them, but I've always been able to eliminate the squeal with sufficient toe-in. At any rate, toe in will allow you to get more life out of the pads, since the distortion of the calipers under braking force will tend to offset the toe-in, resulting in more even wear (versus no initial toe-in, resulting in toe-out under braking force).
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I use the Kool Stop Cyclocross Linear pads with good success on my center pulls for the my Moto Grand Jubile. Little thinner profile if that's what you're going for as well.

I had those on my RRA with Campy brakes for quite awhile, after having the Kool Stop inserts (both salmon and black) on there and not being able to get rid of the squeal, no matter what I tried with toe in, filing, etc. I really liked the Cross pads as shown though. Last year, I bought a set of the new production Campy inserts and put those on the RRA; I moved the Cross pads to my commuter Trek with Tektro dual pivots. Win-win; the Campy pads work great on the Raleigh, and the Cross pads work much better than the Tektro pads.

So for your Weinmanns, the inserts may work for you given good toe in. If not, try the Cross pads. The toe in is adjustable on those, and you should have very good results.
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Originally Posted by noglider View Post
... Shimanos ... often work well.
Not my experience, Tom -- I scared myself when I put Shimanos on my single pivot Campag. sidepulls. KoolStop salmons to the rescue! I use KoolStops exclusively, as you do.
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I'll be honest, I have no idea what you guys are talking about in regards to toe in, etc. lol.

Simply with my set of Weinmann center pull brakes, would you suggest the Continental or the Supra pads from Kool? both are available on Amazon for a great price so I just have to choose.

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Toe-in means setting the pad up so the front of it contacts the rim first. This helps eliminate squealing. Your original Weinmann brake pad holders are not adjustable. Setting toe-in on these brakes generally meant bending the caliper arms to achieve the toe-in, usually by using an adjustable wrench.
See Sheldon...

If you want to reuse the original holders, Kool Stop makes a Weinmann replacement insert, seen here on Amazon.

The Continentals are not adjustable for toe-in (other than bending the arms). The Supras are adjustable I think. If you have the clearance for those, then they could be a good choice, though they will not look vintage.
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Originally Posted by Pars View Post
Toe-in means setting the pad up so the front of it contacts the rim first. This helps eliminate squealing. Your original Weinmann brake pad holders are not adjustable. Setting toe-in on these brakes generally meant bending the caliper arms to achieve the toe-in, usually by using an adjustable wrench.
See Sheldon...

If you want to reuse the original holders, Kool Stop makes a Weinmann replacement insert, seen here on Amazon.

The Continentals are not adjustable for toe-in (other than bending the arms). The Supras are adjustable I think. If you have the clearance for those, then they could be a good choice, though they will not look vintage.
Thanks for the replies. What is the best way to determine if the Supra pads would provide enough clearance?
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To throw out another option. Avenir Sticky Fingers. Less then 1/2 the price of Kool Stops, all black so matches with anything (unless you want that block pad look or you happen to like the salmon color), works equally well in the wet or dry. I've had them on everything from 2012 Dura Ace to 1970 Dia Compe center pulls. No squeal, no set up issues, reliable grip. Also comes in post mount for MTB applications.
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Thanks for the recommendation. I may see how easy the old pads can come out of their shoes and then get some 4 dot replacements. At least this way I'll maintain the original look. I just hope I can unbend the metal casing without scratching or breaking them lol.

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Oh, these have tabs on all 4 sides of the holder and not an open end like Campy, Shimano, etc.? Those could be kinda fun getting a replacement pad into.
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Thanks for the recommendation. I may see how easy the old pads can come out of their shoes and then get some 4 dot replacements. At least this way I'll maintain the original look. I just hope I can unbend the metal casing without scratching or breaking them lol.
If I were you I'd just trim the end tab with a dremel or similar. Back when those center pulls were new there was no end tab and it was just assumed that you knew which way round the shoes were supposed to be mounted (open end towards the back).
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