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Trying to Identify my dads French bicycle from the 1980's (I think)

Old 03-03-15, 09:37 PM
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Trying to Identify my dads French bicycle from the 1980's (I think)

All,

I am restoring my dads old bike. He doesn't use it anymore and completely forgot about it. I hope to surprise him. I probably wont do to much to the bike.

However, I need help identifying what kind of bike it is in order to know what I need to know to start fiddling.

Would anyone care to help a fellow cyclist out?

Here: http://imgur.com/a/Yaje7 is the link to the photos.

Thanks!
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Old 03-03-15, 09:46 PM
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I am no expert, but that looks like a pretty nice bike; worthy of a thorough restoration. The experts will be along shortly. Welcome!!
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Old 03-03-15, 09:52 PM
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Same as thump, idk the identification but everything on that is nice, i loved the wheelset. Pls don't convert to FG
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Old 03-03-15, 09:57 PM
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That is a nice mid-range bike. It is 531, not 501. As to brand, it could be any one of several. Crank is Nervar Star. A drive side photo would be nice.
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Nice bike, although I don't know what particular make it is. It's probably just a little bit older than you think, as some of the components like the Nervar Star crank would indicate 1970s. The Mavic Module E rims are late 1970s. One other thing to correct: The Reynolds decal says that the frame's three main tubes are 531, not 501. (And that's a good thing. 501's not bad, but 531 is pretty much the standard-bearer for quality steel tubing.)

While it would be interesting to know who made the frame, it's really not necessary for restoration's sake. How to work on the bike is dictated more by the components than by the frame, and the parts look to be pretty standard. Square taper crankset, adjustable cup bottom bracket, threaded headset... All standard, except that they're probably French sized/threaded. (And so long as you're not replacing any parts, the fact that they're using obsolete size/thread standards isn't a problem.) Assuming parts are in decent shape, and it looks like they probably are, then restoration should be pretty straightforward: disassembly, rust removal & cleaning, greasing bearings, reassembling, & replacing consumables (tires, brake pads, cables and housings).

As for identifying the frame, though... Can you post close pics of the seat tube cluster (where the top tube meets the seat tube)? Anything on the underside of the bottom bracket -- serial numbers, drain holes, anything?
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It looks older than 80's. That version of Reynolds 531 decal was used up to 1973 +/-. It looks like a good quality frame, not top of the line, but better than entry level. Some of the parts do not appear to be original; the Shimano cable guides and Cinelli stem for example. The Nervar Star cranks and Mafac Racer brakes look original to the bike as do the handle bars.

More detailed photos of the seat stay cluster, fork crown, bottom bracket, etc. would be very helpful. If you post where you and the bike are located, there may be someone here that would be willing to help you with your project.
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Old 03-03-15, 10:21 PM
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I would suggest that you go through this thread http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...nch-bikes.html and search for bikes with the same paint color and/or seat tube decals. I also think that you're looking at a 70s bike based on the components.
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yeah, post some drive-side pics.

with no top tube brazed cable cable guides, i'd guess '70s as well.

and you needn't really know the make/model to refurbish a bicycle. but it does help to read sheldonbrown.com and have about $100 worth of tools. you can basically make it new again if you fully overhaul it and add new consumables (cable, housing, bar tape, lever hoods, and tires).
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Might be a Jeunet. Need more close ups of the frame details.
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Originally Posted by cyclotoine View Post
Might be a Jeunet. Need more close ups of the frame details.
I was thinking maybe Jeunet too but they used black painted lugs. For sure it's a 1972-74 mid-range French bike with the 3 main frame tubes butted Reynolds 531.

Trying to recall which brands used Nervar Star cranks???

There were at least 30 "brands" of French bikes imported into the US during the bike boom of the early 70s. Many were not really recognized brand names in France but made up names used by US importers. Two or three large French bike producers like Manufrance made most of them.

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I think it's from the 70's and it's a Mossberg.

My parents had his and hers Mossbergs way back in the day. I converted my Dad's to a drop bar setup (from 10-speed upright touring bars) in the early 80's and used it as a road bike for a couple of years. Both were that same gold color with the multi color bands around the seat tube.
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The only time I've seen lugs lined this way is on my Regina Sport. These Reginas were built by Betbeder, who also built bikes that were marketed under the Lapebie and Louison Bobet brands.

Regina Sport detail:

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Originally Posted by gamby View Post
I think it's from the 70's and it's a Mossberg.
I've not seen a Mossberg that was made in France.
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There's that "3 tubes reinforces" decal again. Located on the down tube, it appears.
Cool bike. I love seeing them still outfitted with their original tire savers.

Could it be a Bertin?
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My WAG is that it's a St. Etienne. A closer pic of the seat stay caps would help as the two St. Etienne's I've had had a distinctive look there. Here's a pic of one as found by a friend of mine in his town's dump:


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Very interesting stamping on the handlebars. Don't think I've ever seen that one before.

"Kiprim" ?
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Based solely off of those rainbow stripes on the seat tube, I've seen them before on bikes labeled Jacques Anquetil. He was a TDF racer from the 60s and I know terribly little about the bikes with his name on them. Check them out though, may lead you somewhere.

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Ok so I may have to disagree with myself and second the St. Etienne based off this thread from a while back. Lots of similarities.

http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...uld-531-a.html
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Originally Posted by hillikus View Post
Ok so I may have to disagree with myself and second the St. Etienne based off this thread from a while back. Lots of similarities.

http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...uld-531-a.html
The mob over at the link referenced above have spoken (with all of their guesses)





BINGO! It's a St. Ettienne - this may have been produced by Manufrance. See "Made In France" sticker.



The few St. Ettienne bikes that I saw were easily confused with Gitanes.

The seat post is probably a 26.4mm or 26.2mm. A 25.8mm seat post would indicate a French gas pipe frame.

Enjoy your "new" bike...

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Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post
The only time I've seen lugs lined this way is on my Regina Sport. These Reginas were built by Betbeder, who also built bikes that were marketed under the Lapebie and Louison Bobet brands.

Regina Sport detail:
non-fixie,

Those lugs were done after a "liquid lunch" of a litre or two of wine!

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Originally Posted by verktyg View Post
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Those lugs were done after a "liquid lunch" of a litre or two of wine!

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That possibility had crossed my mind , but then I saw the "art" work on the St Etienne that Hillikus referred to in post # 19:

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Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post
"Those lugs were done after a "liquid lunch" of a litre or two of wine!"

That possibility had crossed my mind , but then I saw the "art" work on the St Etienne that Hillikus referred to in post # 19:

OK. 1 litre.....

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Yeah, I said the seat stay caps on the two St. Etienne's I've had were distinctive, right?! The first one I rattled canned gloss black, but sold it off as it was too small. The second is powder-coated black and built as my single-speed porteur w/ 650B wheels. I replaced the original fork with one from a Raleigh Int'l (I think--it was an eBay find), thus English threading and steerer and more rake for front loading.

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