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Old 03-12-15, 07:58 AM
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Would you repaint this Waterford frame?

I suspect the answer that I will get on the C&V forum, but posting the question anyway. Trying to decide whether to have my Waterford RST-22 repainted. I bought the frame used about 4 years ago and I think it's about 10 years old. It was a custom frame but fits me perfectly, so I consider it a long-term keeper. In fact, if I could keep only one of my bikes, this would be the one. It rides nicer than any bike I have owned and is extremely versatile, with mounts for fenders and racks and clearance for large tires.

Here's the issue. Although the frame originally had a very nice paint job, it has a lot of chips with some minor rust near the seat post binder and rear brake bridge. I have the official Waterford touch up paint and have sanded and recovered all of the chips but it doesn't look great up close. The bike is essentially a "Monet" -- looks great from a distance but not so great up close.

I was going to have it repainted at Waterford a couple of years ago until I found out how expensive that would be, about $600 for a standard one-color job. That price doesn't include the cost of removing parts from the frame, shipping it to Wisconsin and back, and rebuilding the bike. I could get it repainted at other shops for less money, but I would rather have Waterford do it because it is such a nice frame and I could never afford a new one.

I don't plan to get repainted right away because I still commute on it regularly, and that can be hard on a paint job. However, I'm thinking about having it done as a retirement gift to myself when that time comes in a few years. I know that many C&Vers feel very strongly about keeping frames original, but does that really apply with a custom frame -- particularly when the frame has potential rust issues? I also would prefer a different color scheme, altho the existing one has grown on me. I ultimately will do whatever I want, but trying to understand the rationale for keeping a frame's paint original.
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Old 03-12-15, 08:02 AM
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Personally, I wouldn't yet. Unless you've already stripped it down, in which case you might as well.

I just bought a "beater" 90's rockhopper that looks worse than that. I might have it powdercoated next year.

But I suspect you want factory paint as it's a c/v bike and I can't blame you there.
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Old 03-12-15, 08:36 AM
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If you have the funds and plan on getting it painted for a special event, like retirement, then do it. I bought a used red Waterford years ago. When I went in the hospital for two months with cancer I sent the frame back to Waterford for a Livestrong paint job, black with yellow panels. It has a special meaning for me and I will never part with the frame.
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Old 03-12-15, 08:48 AM
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Personally, I wouldn't have any concerns with having Waterford repaint it. I know there are folks here who like patina and wouldn't buy a bike that has been resprayed, but I'm not one of them. I would suggest that after stripping the frameset of parts and before shipping it to Waterford, you take a set of photos including close-ups of any dings, scrapes, rust, etc., so you have a record of the frame's condition before the repaint. These might be useful to show a prospective buyer if you decide to sell it in the future.
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After reading your post it's pretty clear to me that you know what you want tarwheel...you'd like the bike more repainted and the bike would make you happier repainted. So my advice is make yourself happy and paint it - what I would do, and my reasons for doing so, are totally irrelevant
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Old 03-12-15, 09:13 AM
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If the bike is going to be your long term keeper, then pro repaint, but after you retire, so it will be spic and span for your golden years. Personally, if I'm buying a bike, a repaint (except possibly a documented factory repaint, as this would be) takes a little of the value away, but not an issue if she'll be a keeper. Meanwhile, maybe you could find some matching touch up paint to hold you over.

Make sure, though, if you repaint, go for Duke Blue. That's everyone's favorite color
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Old 03-12-15, 09:21 AM
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I have no issue in repainting a steel bike like this. It's your bike and it's a rider.
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Old 03-12-15, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Scooper View Post
Personally, I wouldn't have any concerns with having Waterford repaint it. I know there are folks here who like patina and wouldn't buy a bike that has been resprayed, but I'm not one of them. I would suggest that after stripping the frameset of parts and before shipping it to Waterford, you take a set of photos including close-ups of any dings, scrapes, rust, etc., so you have a record of the frame's condition before the repaint. These might be useful to show a prospective buyer if you decide to sell it in the future.
I like this approach. I kind of like the current paint scheme, but I would have done the white seat tube panel differently.
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Old 03-12-15, 09:25 AM
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Since you've got a couple years before you would send it back to Waterford, why not find a cheap beater and use it to practice applying and sanding touch up paint? $600 saved. Wallyworld has 1000 and 2000 grit paper among others in their automotive department.
However if the color hasn't grown on you enough, treat yourself to the repaint and use the two years to learn to disassemble and reassemble the bike so you don't have to pay somebody else for that part.
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Old 03-12-15, 09:34 AM
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I'd have no issues. If the repaint is done by Waterford, I think it might be deemed original.
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Agreed with scooper.

Squirrel away ~$20/mo if you can. That should cover the cost at retirement plus some. Beautiful bike.
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What Sir Name said.

Put money in a paint fund and treat yourself a few years down the road.
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I am with most of the others. Repaint but don't wait until Waterford stops offering the service.
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I'd have no issues. If the repaint is done by Waterford, I think it might be deemed original.
In this case, I agree with what people are saying...as it is more of a rider/your bike...then whatever makes you happy.

But...I do disagree...once repainted, it is NOT original...not even "deemed" original. But, in this case, if you have Waterford do it...and document it well, then it would probably not even decrease the value enough that you would know.
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Touch up tip: after daubing on the paint and letting it dry and cure, wetsand gently with 1000 grit then 1500 grit and buff out with rubbing compound. With the original color and a little practice, you can make touchups invisible. It's a bit of work, but not as much work as tearing a bike down and shipping off to Waterford.
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Originally Posted by Lascauxcaveman View Post
Touch up tip: after daubing on the paint and letting it dry and cure, wetsand gently with 1000 grit then 1500 grit and buff out with rubbing compound. With the original color and a little practice, you can make touchups invisible. It's a bit of work, but not as much work as tearing a bike down and shipping off to Waterford.
Thanks, I'll give that a try.

I'm not too concerned about keeping it original because the resale values of Waterfords seem to be a small fraction of the purchase price. A Waterford like mine would cost $3,500-4,000 now but I only paid $600 for it used, and that seems typical from auctions that I have followed eBay.
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In this case, I agree with what people are saying...as it is more of a rider/your bike...then whatever makes you happy.

But...I do disagree...once repainted, it is NOT original...not even "deemed" original. But, in this case, if you have Waterford do it...and document it well, then it would probably not even decrease the value enough that you would know.
Of course it won't be original in the sense "exactly like when it came out of the factory". But what if you replaced the chain or tires with identical ones when they wore out? Will it still be original? I'd say yes, same if repainted by the factory.
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Originally Posted by tarwheel View Post
Thanks, I'll give that a try.

I'm not too concerned about keeping it original because the resale values of Waterfords seem to be a small fraction of the purchase price. A Waterford like mine would cost $3,500-4,000 now but I only paid $600 for it used, and that seems typical from auctions that I have followed eBay.
I wouldn't think twice about repainting it. The cool part is that it will feel like you have a new bike when it is all said and done. If it were me, I would go back to Waterford. $600 seems pretty high but I think they would do an amazing job, decals and all.
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Lucky for me, I scored a Waterford, complete with Campy ten speed group, last Summer, at a Yard Sale. The bike is less than pristine, cosmetically speaking, but not too bad. I have absolutely no intention of painting it. Of course, as some Forum members might already know, I believe, strongly, in maintain "original" as long as possible. My Legnano might get painted - someday...

Before you do decide on a repaint, you might want to consider all, or some, of those things that have crossed my mind, over the years. If you wish, take the time to have a look at Should I Paint My Bicycle? Perhaps that will offer some, previously, unforeseen things to consider.
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Of course it won't be original in the sense "exactly like when it came out of the factory". But what if you replaced the chain or tires with identical ones when they wore out? Will it still be original? I'd say yes, same if repainted by the factory.
Respectfully, I disagree...repaint means that the "original paint" is no longer...thus, the frame is no longer in "original" condition. There is, to me, a big difference in the frame being altered versus parts that are designed to wear out being replaced...such as chain, cables, tires. Granted, by the strictest definition, then anything other than what came out of the "factory" the first time alters the originality of the bike...so, there are degrees...but...when you come all the way down to stripping off the paint...that takes the LAST vestige of originality away.

So...when you say that "yes, same if repainted by the factory"...I would have to disagree. And...put yourself in a prospective buyers' shoes. You say that it is original...but...it was repainted...some buyers may be ok with that...others are not...
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Originally Posted by daf1009 View Post
In this case, I agree with what people are saying...as it is more of a rider/your bike...then whatever makes you happy.

But...I do disagree...once repainted, it is NOT original...not even "deemed" original. But, in this case, if you have Waterford do it...and document it well, then it would probably not even decrease the value enough that you would know.

My thought? -- Who gives a sheet. Its a Waterford -- that means its at minimum a 1992 or 1993 model and with a threadless steerer, probably much newer -- its not a true C&V frame (well maybe it is, i dont know)

--- ITs worth spending some money on though ---

You could also check with Spectrum on painting -- they are just as good as the Waterford boys --- may or may not save you some money

Love the bike though --- but im a little biased -

Would i re-paint mine if i thought it was looking shabby? --- In a heartbeat if i could afford it -- Such a beautiful bike, and its new enough that i do not like "patina" on it

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Originally Posted by daf1009 View Post
Respectfully, I disagree...repaint means that the "original paint" is no longer...thus, the frame is no longer in "original" condition. There is, to me, a big difference in the frame being altered versus parts that are designed to wear out being replaced...such as chain, cables, tires. Granted, by the strictest definition, then anything other than what came out of the "factory" the first time alters the originality of the bike...so, there are degrees...but...when you come all the way down to stripping off the paint...that takes the LAST vestige of originality away.

So...when you say that "yes, same if repainted by the factory"...I would have to disagree. And...put yourself in a prospective buyers' shoes. You say that it is original...but...it was repainted...some buyers may be ok with that...others are not...

I didnt realize Waterford even sold complete bikes ---- i thought they sold framesets --- I bought the track bike i posted above as a complete, --- but the dealer was a track-centric dealer and assembled it themselves from the frameset. That was in '00 though -- things may have changed
It is nice that i am still sticking with a square taper crank on this bike , (i dont hit the track as much as i used to anyway) -- but if i replaced it with an outboard bearing setup and a threadless fork , nobody would care (again- track bikes may be such a niche market that my logic may be flawed though)
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Originally Posted by randyjawa View Post
I scored a Waterford, complete with Campy ten speed group, last Summer, at a Yard Sale.
I need to get out more...
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Paint it.
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For a bike that you want to use to its fullest potential, I think of the paint as a consumable, like tires. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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