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I was fitted for orthotics in 2014. Which I wear in my normal shoes now. I have not tried them in my cycling shoes. One reason is the design. They don't extend to front of foot. I want an insole under my forefoot and toes. Should I put the orthotic under the insole?

I'm experiencing pain in my rightfoot in forefoot and toes tho not big toe...other toes yes.

I've tried custom fitted shoes with heat molding and I know they are wide enough but they are pro level stiff. Not sure of the lack of flex is also making things worse. Long rides and lots
Of climbing are painful.

Wonder if those who use orthotics can tell me what they do
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I use the yellow Super Feet which I got from Amazon.com... in my regular shoes I use the green Super Feet. I have a set of orthotics and I hate them as they hurt my feet due to them not moving with the foot in the shoe.

Once I replaced the factory insole with the Super Feet my rides were more comfortable.
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I have not worn my orthotics with regularity in my normal shoes because there is no cushion at all. I used a Dr Scholl version when on my feet daily at bike shop. I've been walking more at work and thought maybe put them in but I feel no better and actually my feel seem worse off.

It's frustrating to be capable of riding harder and faster but foot pain makes that very difficult.
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I use the Specialized BG Footbeds in my cycling shoes and the Powerstep Pinnacle Max in my regular shoes.

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I saved this link a while ago for foot beds for shoes: https://secure.yoursole.com/ca/mens/...ds/thin-sport/ They're supposed to be great but I don't recall why.

I have orthotics but I rarely wear them anymore and there's no WAY they would fit inside my cycling shoes. At any rate, I'm not sure how orthotics would help toe pain anyway.
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I use superfeet blue in my daily shoes and use Soles in my cycling shoes, I may try the superfeet carbons in my cycling shoes.

What cycling shoes are you using?
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I got Shimano heat molded top of line shoes last May. Might try removing the arch support that can be adjusted. I've had this issue in more than one shoe. So very frustrating.
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With upcoming AIDS Lifecycle I need to see if I can sort this out. It's not just in my cycling shoes I'm having problems.

Seems problem started 2 years ago when I was wearing really flat Vans to work. I started having issues then. Which sent me to podiatrist where was given the orthotics that I don't like.
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With upcoming AIDS Lifecycle I need to see if I can sort this out. It's not just in my cycling shoes I'm having problems.

Seems problem started 2 years ago when I was wearing really flat Vans to work. I started having issues then. Which sent me to podiatrist where was given the orthotics that I don't like.
For me it didn't matter what shoes I wore, and I even went as far as getting cortisone shots in my feet.

I switched foot doctors and after a few visits the new doc handed me an insole/orthotic much like the Dr. Scholl's insoles (but made better); later I upgraded to the Super Feet and haven't looked back since.

Go to REI and try a set, you will be hooked. I haven't had the foot pain in a few years since using the Super Feet, and I have panter's faciitis.
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With upcoming AIDS Lifecycle I need to see if I can sort this out. It's not just in my cycling shoes I'm having problems.

Seems problem started 2 years ago when I was wearing really flat Vans to work. I started having issues then. Which sent me to podiatrist where was given the orthotics that I don't like.
For me it didn't matter what shoes I wore, and I even went as far as getting cortisone shots in my feet.

I switched foot doctors and after a few visits the new doc handed me an insole/orthotic much like the Dr. Scholl's insoles (but made better); later I upgraded to the Super Feet and haven't looked back since.

Go to REI and try a set, you will be hooked. I haven't had the foot pain in a few years since using the Super Feet, and I have panter's faciitis.
Will do that. Which are recommended for cycling, just the yellow?
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Do you clench your toes when riding? I know I do and periodically have to make a focused effort to relax my toes. Are your cleats pushed back as far as they will go? Mine are... I no longer try to get them right on the ball of the foot. It seems more comfortable but may require a seat adjustment too.
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Will do that. Which are recommended for cycling, just the yellow?
Yellow was for hockey and other sports where the foot might move in the shoe, but I am sure others would work just as well. The green are the thickest with the highest arch.

REI has a few different models and will let you try them in the store.
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I use the lowest volume insoles for my cycling shoes, but I have big fat wide feet and don't to feel like my feet are squeezed into the shoes.
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If you're having issues with your toe box being a little narrow don't add the volume that thicker insoles will add. You'll be in worse shape. I have lots of feet issues as I wear an 8.5 EEEE. No, cycling shoes don't come in that size. If I had a longer foot, no problem. I'd meet with the podiatrist again and take your cycling shoes along. Let them feel and see what you have going on with the specific footwear you have. It's what I did. I was using superfeet green and he pulled it out and said, now put your foot in the shoe, the insole is taking up critical space. I also had plantar fasciitis at the time. I know the pain from this can be excruciating and I have called off rides due to the pain.

You may also want to try loosening up the front strap on your shoes to allow your toes some more space. I had to do that with my new Lake shoes, made a huge difference. As long as the heel stays in place you should be good to go.
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It is not toe box being too narrow.
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The pain you are describing is what I had, which is the 5th metatarsal being compressed. Since that part of your foot spreads along with your little toe if your toe doesn't have enough room it will cause discomfort. That is why I said narrow toe box. That's why I also recommend you talk to your podiatrist with your shoes so they can tell you what they think. I know what causes my foot pain. Also, my podiatrist happens to be a cyclist.
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what were your original orthotics made to address? Morton Neuroma? metarsal arch Pain?
After the cycling pain starts, does it continue if you take your shoes off and walk bare foot?
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I honestly don't recall diagnosis. What sent me to Dr were a few things:

I started having pain in left pinky toe due to rubbing on new cycling shoe In March 2014.

In Feb 2014 I had started new job and got some FLAT Vans to wear at work and was having foot pain and numbness beginning late March when I started noticing foot pain on long rides in both feet not just the left pinky toe which I had broken once upon a time resulting it sticking up at joint and rubbing on some shoes inside.

My commute was long like is now and I have a
Spinal issue resulting in pinching off of nerves to legs/feet resulting in numbness and pain. I would have pain and numbness driving home in the forefoot and toes on right foot mostly.

Think the orthotics were meant to spread/lift metatarsals in forefeet.
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My current shoes are wide in Toe box but VERY stiff which I've heard mixed opinions on whether stiff shoe helps or makes worse.
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I was fitted for orthotics in 2014. Which I wear in my normal shoes now. I have not tried them in my cycling shoes. One reason is the design. They don't extend to front of foot. I want an insole under my forefoot and toes. Should I put the orthotic under the insole?

I'm experiencing pain in my rightfoot in forefoot and toes tho not big toe...other toes yes.

I've tried custom fitted shoes with heat molding and I know they are wide enough but they are pro level stiff. Not sure of the lack of flex is also making things worse. Long rides and lots
Of climbing are painful.

Wonder if those who use orthotics can tell me what they do
The issue is largely going to be arch support under the main arch and the metatarsals. Bike shoes are going to function much differently than a regular shoe (sole doesn't flex) so you can go with a full length one no sweat.

I have very high arches so this is always a problem for me. I also have a background in skiing and ski boot fit that translated well into cycling shoe fit. Orthotics are much more important in skiing than cycling so I've spent decades fooling with them to the point where I think I understand them. Orthotics are super important for cycling and you will be glad you got some.

The best for those of us with feet that normally require orthotics are the Sole orthotics. THey are heat moldable.

https://secure.yoursole.com/us/mens/footbeds. You an also find them at REI.

However, don't heat them up and then stand of them. That is going to cause you to get less support than you need as your arches compress under your weight. Just take a heat gun and spot heat them then mold the shape with your finger or a tool like the handle end of a screwdriver. You'll be able to get exactly the shape that you need with about 30 minutes of work. Use your prescription insoles as a guide for contours. The Sole orthotics come in thin thicknesses that work well in cycling shoes.

If you are to the point where you need orthotics in your regular shoes, I think that you're well past what Superfeet can supply. In general, Superfeet are sort of mediocre foot beds and their low volume ones for cycling are pretty crummy with little support at all.

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You buy shoes for your clip-less pedal system? I assume so , from what I read.



Not Orthotics Specifically, But Birkenstock Cork composite insoles (3/4length )* are supremely comfortable.

... and in My Loose fitting touring shoes , I pedaled my bike for Months on my bike tours. ( pedals w toeclips)

I typically suggest getting the Insoles preferred , sorted First then the shoes..

since they may take up more room in your snug fitting shoes You bought first , then added the insoles.


* were in US retail 20 years ago, now you buy them from Germany, [Distributing - Importer dropped them]

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Think some of my issue has been cleat position. I thought I was positioning them so my foot was closer to bike thus more of foot on top of pedal. Seems I went the exact opposite when I put the cleats on last May.

I got two pairs of shoes within a week or so thx to great deals. I put my cleats on them in the same way and position. This is the other pair to show that I positioned clear to far inside of sole putting the outer half of foot out in space. I repositioned the other pair today before riding to a more center position and after got home all the way to outer edge of sole pretty much.



My foot felt better but not 100% so will see how the second repositioning helps.
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Have you considered physical the****** for your foot pain? I wear custom orthotics when I run and use Powerstep Pinnacle in my boots. Physical therapy is not a quick fix but the pain I get when I run has been reduced significantly.

Also, if you can wear casual footwear to work, I recommend going to your local running store to get fitted for shoes. A reputable store will have you try on several different pairs to find the best shoe that fits you and record how your foot lands on a treadmill.
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Have you considered physical the****** for your foot pain? I wear custom orthotics when I run and use Powerstep Pinnacle in my boots. Physical therapy is not a quick fix but the pain I get when I run has been reduced significantly.

Also, if you can wear casual footwear to work, I recommend going to your local running store to get fitted for shoes. A reputable store will have you try on several different pairs to find the best shoe that fits you and record how your foot lands on a treadmill.
I saw a podiatrist in 2014 but the orthotics won't fit in my cycling shoes currently

I have had job issues since that time and am just now able to start process over to get into s podiatrist

I am trying to remedy situation in meantime. I'm not stupid but I can't get time off at moment and I have big week long ride coming up early June. I'm trying to get to livable discomfort at moment.

I will look into the running shoe store idea as that sounds like it would be helpful for me v
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Just a question, but could the pain that you're experiencing on the bike be carry-over from being off the bike?

The only relief I found after fracturing my ankle and tearing two ligaments was to switch (during walking and now jogging) to a minimalist running shoe. Something that is soft up top, has a wide toe box to allow the toes to spread out as designed, and not much of a heel lift to allow my heel to be closer to the ground, which reduces the risk of rolling your ankle over.
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