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I drink too much beer

Old 08-23-16, 07:34 PM
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I drink too much beer

My commitment this year is 10 miles per day.

I am well above that (circa 13/day avg.)

My typical ride is 15 miles. 30 on frequent occasion. And some 60's. And 3x100 milers this year.

My problem is I get back from a 15 or 30 miler and feel like I've crushed it. And drink 5-10 beers. Granted lite beers. "Only 1,000 calories".

I've lost 25 lbs and added lots of muscle this year. So overall good. But beer is calories, and the alcohol makes me ravenous. I'll eat a whole pizza. Or 4 bratwurst. Then nuts. Then maybe desert. Luckily I have no sweet tooth, but occasional ice cream because the kids love it.

When I ate well in May, I lost 10+ pounds. Since then, steady, maybe +muscle.

So plan is a healthy September.

But it's hard.

Anyone else love beer?
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C'mon, 5-10 beers? That seems like a lot, especially of not-so-tasty light beers.

While I drink beer a bit, my real weakness is wine. I pretty much have some daily, though probably less than 6oz. However, I will often "binge drink" -- as the scientists call it-- on the order of twice a week, knocking back a bottle or maybe two. It's usually with friends, so tracking is difficult, but if three of us kill 4 bottles in the end, I've probably drunk a fair share!

If I could rationally limit my wine consumption, I could probably lose weight; wine makes me want to munch savories, too, often cheese, nuts, and cured meats.

As it is, I don't really lose weight much beyond a 5lb swing if I miss a week of rides and party instead!
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Too much beer, too much money, too much fun. There's no such thing.
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I like a 20 ounce craft beer (coffee porter from a local house) after a 20 plus mile ride I find a good dark beer actually can help the muscles recover a bit.
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I drink 120+ ounces of beer per week and ride about the same in mileage. It's a good plan
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Old 08-23-16, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mullet View Post
I drink 120+ ounces of beer per week and ride about the same in mileage. It's a good plan
You have given me an idea. Perhaps my real target should not be 10 miles per day, but rather 1 mile per 1 oz of beer. I'd have to log both though, and logging beer can be problematic.

But I like the idea. Maybe that's what I do in Sep. That would still be a serious calorie deficit for me (pre-food).

Only problem is after 10 beers = "ok, I just need to ride 120 miles tomorrow"!

I'd have to build up a reserve. I see this happening.
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You need to recalibrate your idea of "beer" first...
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You are binge drinking and binge eating. Regardless of what you did before you started drinking, please don't binge. Find a compassionate thing to do instead. Consider planning a different way to reward yourself and celebrate your achievements that do not involve food or beer. Your body is affected by such choices in ways other than calories in vs. calories out.

I say this from personal experience and I hope you'll receive my comment out of genuine care and not criticism.
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Drink one or two good beers instead of 5 to 10 bad beers.

Not every ride deserves a beer.
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I find a good dark beer actually can help the muscles recover a bit.
There's a reason beer is known as liquid bread. I've added after ride beer to my routine more lately-not after every ride, but I was surprised when doing harder rides on back to back days how much better my legs felt the second day when the first ride was followed by a couple of decent beers.
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Easy fix: develop diverticulitis. You can never have carbonation again. No more beer, no more soda, no more of a laundry list of foods-- ever again. I'm still trying to figure out the positives, but there you go.
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This my friend, is called alcoholism. 5-10 beers after 15 miles of riding when that is your average daily ride (if you are drinking daily) is alcoholism. I am a beer lover and if I drink 2 days a week I would be lucky to drink 10 beers total. Of course the beers I drink typically have 8-13% alcohol. If it is Coors light, then you're over hydrating.
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Originally Posted by Lightchop View Post
My commitment this year is 10 miles per day.

I am well above that (circa 13/day avg.)

My typical ride is 15 miles. 30 on frequent occasion. And some 60's. And 3x100 milers this year.

My problem is I get back from a 15 or 30 miler and feel like I've crushed it. And drink 5-10 beers. Granted lite beers. "Only 1,000 calories".

I've lost 25 lbs and added lots of muscle this year. So overall good. But beer is calories, and the alcohol makes me ravenous. I'll eat a whole pizza. Or 4 bratwurst. Then nuts. Then maybe desert. Luckily I have no sweet tooth, but occasional ice cream because the kids love it.

When I ate well in May, I lost 10+ pounds. Since then, steady, maybe +muscle.

So plan is a healthy September.

But it's hard.

Anyone else love beer?
5-10 beers? Dude, you may want to check into visiting AA. WTF?
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If it is Coors light, then you're over hydrating.
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Originally Posted by Lightchop View Post
and the alcohol makes me ravenous. I'll eat a whole pizza. Or 4 bratwurst. Then nuts. Then maybe desert.

No. The alcohol is making you drunk, which is leading to poor decision making. If you can't get drunk and still make good food decisions, I recommend not getting drunk.
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I just posted a rant about this, but yeah, drinking is undoing me. I've been under a lot of stress at work and home lately and I've been back on the bottle. I'd say I do 4-6 drinks a day, usually beer and whiskey, and sometimes like 12+ drinks in a day. I've done the math and it's extremely depressing, between 500-1500 calories of alcohol almost every day, which is like 7000 calories or 2 lbs a week, which means if my exercise (which it has, especially with this obnoxiously hot and humid weather)or diet (drunk munches ARE a thing) falters at all, the scale goes the wrong way.
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No. The alcohol is making you drunk, which is leading to poor decision making. If you can't get drunk and still make good food decisions, I recommend not getting drunk.
easily said, but for some of us, not so easily done.
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easily said, but for some of us, not so easily done.

Sometimes life is hard.
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So plan is a healthy September.

But it's hard.

Anyone else love beer?
You have to find what works for you. Some people quit cold turkey. Personally, I lost my weight and built my fitness a bit at a time.
I recognized that most of my eating and drinking was habit based - that is, I was in the habit of walking in the door, opening a beer, then drinking them one after another til bed. So I broke the habit. I started waiting til I'd been home for an hour before I opened the first beer, and then limited myself to two. After a while, it was pretty easy to just skip the beer altogether, and now beer is a once or twice a month treat (and then only one or two because my tolerance dropped along with the pounds).
Same thing with the food. Instead of walking in and fixing a snack, I waited an hour, and then fixed a smaller or healthier snack. It wasn't a huge or radical change, but in the long run it made a huge difference.
One other thing that really helped was logging. That made it MUCH easier to see what I realy was eating and decide whether I wanted to eat or drink more.
Hang in there and keep trying. The results are worthwhile if you do.
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Originally Posted by billyymc View Post
Not every ride deserves a beer.
Now, there's no need to get all hateful about it!
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Easy fix: develop diverticulitis. You can never have carbonation again. No more beer, no more soda, no more of a laundry list of foods-- ever again. I'm still trying to figure out the positives, but there you go.
I had an operation called a Nissen fundoplication to fix a hiatal hernia and cure my chronic acid reflux. Basically it consists of taking the top part of the stomach and wrapping it around the bottom of the esophagus, then stitching it in place. The result is that it's very hard to belch, so that's limited me on any carbonation I might drink. One beer and I'm bloated. Luckily, though, it gives me an excuse to not drink any soda, which I rarely do these days. And just limiting myself to one, maybe two beers is a good idea, not that I drink that much any more anyway.

The operation was a couple years ago, and I can belch a little easier now than I could then, but most carbonation still works its way through my system and ends up as flatulence. So I still limit any carbonated beverages.
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Originally Posted by Yendor72 View Post
If it is Coors light, then you're over hydrating.
That's a "making love in a rowboat" beer.
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I love my beer and used to drink a lot more before I started cycling a few years ago. Now I drink only one night during the work week and drink on my "Cheat Day" on the weekend.
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Originally Posted by Lightchop View Post
So plan is a healthy September.

But it's hard.

Anyone else love beer?
While I really enjoy a good beer (Ballast Point Sculpin IPA is currently my favorite, like what Bridgeport would brew if they weren't afraid of flavor), I essentially stopped when I got a structured training plan. Usually it's one every two months now, and even with guests and spouse sharing I just bought my second six pack of the year.

VO2max Mondays didn't suck as much when I didn't drink my usual 2 beers Sunday night, so I did that.

Since that worked, I tried stopping on Wednesdays too and found Threshold Thursdays better without.

I ceased drinking Fridays when I found I was more rested for my long Saturday ride without beer.

I naturally woke up around sunrise when I wasn't having beer, so I skipped Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday to finish riding 25-30 miles sooner for work.

That left Saturday evenings, which ended up being like the rest of the week like they were before which meant no beer because I wasn't having any then either.

I tried to have one after my first double century to go with my sandwich, but it was hours after my usual bed time and I was too tired to get past a couple mouthfulls. On the next one I didn't try.

I did have a beer with a friend stopping by both this week and last week.

OTOH, riding at least 25 miles six days a week I'm generally as relaxed as I'd be after two beers as a more sessile person.

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