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Old 12-30-16, 02:38 PM
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I'll do liquids, juices, sometimes carbs before my workouts and then proteins within an hour after. I've brought my weight down and gotten stonger.

I like to do circuit undurance weight training on top of or instead cycling when the weather sucks.
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Old 12-30-16, 04:26 PM
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My friend Lisa has done back to back Century rides on a weekend.
Saturday's ride she was on her 5 day of a water fast
Sunday's ride she was on day six of her water fast.

I could be wrong but i believe she did her PB on Saturday.
This was in June of this year. Sunday she struggled to finish due to being hit by a car.

Keeping my fingers crossed but if all goes well with my shift bid, she and I will be working out together on a regular basis.

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Old 12-30-16, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by NYSteve View Post
My friend Lisa has done back to back Century rides on a weekend.
Saturday's ride she was on her 5 day of a water fast
Sunday's ride she was on day six of her water fast.

I could be wrong but i believe she did her PB on Saturday.
This was in June of this year. Sunday she struggled to finish due to being hit by a car.

Keeping my fingers crossed but if all goes well with my shift bid, she and I will be working out together on a regular basis.
Very strange, as I said before. People who fast must be for some strange reason. Search shows people trying to get rid of ailments often fast. Like I said before, if you eat a healthy diet, why do weird things like fast?

Further search shows that a female body goes into ketosis after 48 hours. Your friend did back to back centuries 5 days into a fast?

ketosis is not a healthy thing and it can cause kidney damage. I knew that from before when I was lectured by a doctor to hydrate and eat right after having a blood test 2 days after a century. He said I could damage my kidneys by placing my body into ketosis and avoiding proper nutrition and hydration.

So Ilooked it up and quickly I found a statement on the dangers of ketosis.

Figuring the female body goes into ketosis 2 days after water fasting and your friend is doing back to back centuries 5 days into a water fast?

Sound like a sure way to cause unnecessary damage to one's body?

I'll pass, a healthy well balanced healthy eating program is for me! I'll save my kidneys!
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Old 12-31-16, 08:51 AM
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Very strange, as I said before. People who fast must be for some strange reason. Search shows people trying to get rid of ailments often fast. Like I said before, if you eat a healthy diet, why do weird things like fast?

Further search shows that a female body goes into ketosis after 48 hours. Your friend did back to back centuries 5 days into a fast?

ketosis is not a healthy thing and it can cause kidney damage. I knew that from before when I was lectured by a doctor to hydrate and eat right after having a blood test 2 days after a century. He said I could damage my kidneys by placing my body into ketosis and avoiding proper nutrition and hydration.

So Ilooked it up and quickly I found a statement on the dangers of ketosis.

Figuring the female body goes into ketosis 2 days after water fasting and your friend is doing back to back centuries 5 days into a water fast?

Sound like a sure way to cause unnecessary damage to one's body?

I'll pass, a healthy well balanced healthy eating program is for me! I'll save my kidneys!
You have misunderstood what's in the article you posted a pic of.

Ketosis is a state of having ketones in your blood. It is the body's normal response to running low on glucose. When that happens, the liver starts to produce ketones from fatty acids as an alternate energy source. The brain can only use glucose and ketones for energy. Producing ketones is a normal, everyday thing to do and it's a positive physiologic adaptation.

Many physicians get alarmed when they hear the word "ketosis" because they typically deal with ketosis is the context of diabetic ketoacidosis- this is a life threatening pathologic state that only happens in diabetics because of their lack of insulin. Basically: the presence of insulin limits the amount of ketones you can form. Duabetics can make so many ketones that the ketones start to affect the pH of the blood (because ketones act as acids). It's the acid-base derangement that's dangerous.

People who are not diabetic wont do this. They'll form ketones during exercise or periods of fasting but not to the extent of becoming acidotic- they won't even get close. So ketone-forming in non-diabetics is good whereas in diabetics it's telling you they're not getting enough insulin. Different things, but most physicians are conditioned to hear ketones and think "bad".

Regardless, the underlined part in the pic you quoted has nothing to do with ketosis. What the author is trying to say is that most people who are following a ketotic diet are consuming lots of protein. When protein is broken down, a waste product that must be eliminated is nitrogen. The organ that eliminates nitrogen is the kidney. So there is a school of thought that high protein diets (whether they result in ketosis -ie are also carb restricted- or not) might put undue stress on the kidneys. This is just a school of thought though and is not universally accepted.

Fasting is not universally accepted to be bad, either. There may be positive benefits to it. And we probably evolved to do a fair bit of fasting, when you think about it. Lean times used to be a common occurrence.
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Old thread, I know, but on the subject of fasted riding; I rode fasted just about every morning last summer. Started out doing 20-25 miles. Worked up to 70+ miles on nothing but water. Body weight went from 203 to 171 in about 3 months. I felt great during these rides. All were around 50-60 ft per mile of climbing and the averages varied. Some were only 15-16 mph, but some were 18-20 mph.
All my friends were stopping periodically and eating things, but I never felt the need. IMO, some cyclists eat too much during and after rides. That's one reason there are a lot of them who are overweight.
This strategy backfired on me once. I tried to push my luck and do a century. I could tell about the 50 mile mark that I was in trouble. By the time I started eating, it was too late for the food to digest. I finished the ride, but not very strong. The pace had a lot to do with it. Up until I bonked, we were averaging 22 mph+. Finished at about 20.3. Lesson learned.
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