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Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) Looking to lose that spare tire? Ideal weight 200+? Frustrated being a large cyclist in a sport geared for the ultra-light? Learn about the bikes and parts that can take the abuse of a heavier cyclist, how to keep your body going while losing the weight, and get support from others who've been successful.

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Old 08-12-17, 08:22 PM   #1
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Double Cross for an almost 300lb clyde?

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I am 285lb clyde. I was looking at the Soma Double Cross. I asked Soma whether the Fog Cutter and Double Cross would be too flexy, and they said there were many 300-pounders on Somas and that the Double Cross would suit me better. I asked the LBS for a quote on the frame, and they said they were concerned about the Soma's thinner and flexier (heat treated to allow this) tubing (compared to Surly and the other plain chromoly). I would appreciate any help of people of at least my weight with the following:
  1. I have an aluminum hybrid (Bianchi C-sport 1, similar to Trek FX) converted to drop bars. Would a steel bike provide a better ride compared to the aluminum with 37mm or wider tires? Would it be beneficial to just replace the aluminum fork with a chromoly one? I am going to ride on pavement and some non-technical gravel/dirt roads.
  2. If you have ridden the Double Cross, could you confirm that it works for my weight?
  3. What about a touring bike (say Saga DC) for a clyde for the riding I mentioned in question one? People complain about the touring bikes being too stiff. Maybe it is just OK for a clyde?

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Old 08-30-17, 07:32 PM   #2
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Found a review on mtbr, SOMA Wolverine for a clydesdale- Mtbr.com The author is just under 300 like me and he is super happy about a Wolverine. Given that it has a similar tubing, Double Cross should be OK.
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The wheelset is what matters. 36 hole f/r minimum.
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I've ridden a light steel frame bike (Ritchey Road Logic) @ 270lbs and had no issues. From what I've seen, Soma frames are a more stout tubing wise than my Ritchey. I doubt there would be a problem with the Fogcutter honestly, even at 285lbs. Looks like a nice frame, shame it only comes in red!
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well that and fit...
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for strength a cx bike is going to be plenty strong (frame at least... the other comments all depend on build)... the real question is FIT... will it fit you correctly AND will it handle how you want?

a touring bike is another way to go... they tend to be even sturdier but ride less compliant... I run mine with a 44c tires... which will make more difference than ANY frame would...

I have two bikes right now... my touring bike (surly disc trucker) and a early 80's trek crit racing frame (that fits 32c tires)... I want to build a new road bike that is a a bit slower handling (had my eye on something like the soma ES for a LONG time)... my current frame is closer to the geo of the smoothie... maybe one day I'll justify the cost... we'll see... right now I need to just ride what I have... *sheepish look*

*note i'm about 320-330 lb*
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I should be OK here. I have 36H Velocity Chukkers with Deore T610 hubs and 14ga DT spokes from velomine. Getting the M6000 centerlock hubs to rebuild them. The flange diameter is the same on the rear and 4mm larger on the front. I played with the calculator, the old spokes may be 1-2mm long. Hopefully it is fine. There may be other minor things like the slightly different spoke hole diameter, tolerances in the original spoke length etc. that can push it to 3mm which is probably too much. In the worst case I will need to order 18 or 36 new spokes.

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I've ridden a light steel frame bike (Ritchey Road Logic) @ 270lbs and had no issues. From what I've seen, Soma frames are a more stout tubing wise than my Ritchey. I doubt there would be a problem with the Fogcutter honestly, even at 285lbs. Looks like a nice frame, shame it only comes in red!
Decided to get the Double Cross. It has larger tire clearance and slightly more relaxed geometry. Probably the Fogcutter tubing is thinner. The reviewer at mtbr said he had also had a Soma MTB (Groove), and that one was so flexy that he had problem keeping balance when climbing out of the saddle.

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I have two bikes right now... my touring bike (surly disc trucker) and a early 80's trek crit racing frame (that fits 32c tires)... I want to build a new road bike that is a a bit slower handling (had my eye on something like the soma ES for a LONG time)... my current frame is closer to the geo of the smoothie... maybe one day I'll justify the cost... we'll see... right now I need to just ride what I have... *sheepish look*

*note i'm about 320-330 lb*
They also have Fog Cutter which I think is similar to ES but has disk brakes and slightly wider tire clearance. In my situation I already have parts I got when I upgraded the Bianchi hybrid to 9s and converted it to drops (handlebars, brifters, crankset, derailleurs). I can rebuild the wheels with the centerlock hubs. Fit was one of the reasons I decided to get it: the hybrid has slightly longer reach, and I would rather put the flat bars back on it.
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need help with the color scheme

Need help with the bar tape (and possibly housing) color. Here are some photos from the Soma Flickr:



They call the frame color "sky silver". I thought of orange, blue or Bianchi celeste. The camouflage one in their build is not bad either. The only thing I have is the frame, I will not have the tires they have.
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I would just go with black wrap ... doesn't show as much wear/dirt
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I would just go with black wrap ... doesn't show as much wear/dirt
Boring.
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Boring.
True ... but to me, Celeste is ONLY for Bianchis ... Orange might work for me because I love orange.

Honestly, if he had the tires shown in the pics, I'd do a brown Brooks saddle and a black/brown wrap. That would be freaking gorgeous
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Decided to get the Double Cross. It has larger tire clearance and slightly more relaxed geometry. Probably the Fogcutter tubing is thinner. The reviewer at mtbr said he had also had a Soma MTB (Groove), and that one was so flexy that he had problem keeping balance when climbing out of the saddle.
Judging by the numbers on their website, the Double Cross and Fog Cutter frames weigh about the same, so I doubt there's much difference in the tubing. At 4.5lbs for a 58cm, the Fog Cutter isn't targeting the lightweight steel market!

The more upright stance of a cross bike IMHO is a good fit for clydes, especially if you have belly issues (i.e. my belly gets in the way when I lean forward). The larger tire clearance means it can double as a gravel grinder, so a good bike to own I'd say.

However, you'll probably end up getting a road bike in 12 months, just to warn you. N+1
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I should be OK here. I have 36H Velocity Chukkers with Deore T610 hubs and 14ga DT spokes from velomine.

They also have Fog Cutter which I think is similar to ES but has disk brakes and slightly wider tire clearance. In my situation I already have parts I got when I upgraded the Bianchi hybrid to 9s and converted it to drops

I have a 36h velocity chukker on the rear of my touring bike... VERY stout rim... and my disc trucker was a similar thing... I sold my old MTB and bought the frame as I already had most everything I needed for the frame set...


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Need help with the bar tape (and possibly housing) color. Here are some photos from the Soma Flickr:
dude where are your bars? ;-)

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The more upright stance of a cross bike IMHO is a good fit for clydes, especially if you have belly issues (i.e. my belly gets in the way when I lean forward).
depends on the cross bike... like most other bikes they still have way too short of a head tube IMHO... but with these models having steel steerer tubes on the fork it's not really a big issue as you can go un-cut if you want to... which is what I ended up doing on my disc trucker which gives me adjustability based on fitness and how long the ride is (I had to raise it about 2 days into my last tour)
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depends on the cross bike... like most other bikes they still have way too short of a head tube IMHO...
Certainly true of the Surly Cross Check, which has a ridiculously low stack. If you match the Reach of my current cross bike to the Surly, you'd end up with a frame with 80mm less stack height. The Geo on those things is totally out of whack IMHO.
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