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Old 11-30-07, 12:29 AM
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This is worth a look

I am not a fan of the show, but you can't ignore the fact that Oprah Winfrey has done some good things with her millions and the lemming like following from the people that watch her show is just amazing. I was sent this link from a co-worker and it was amazing.

One woman lost over 500 lbs through exercise and diet, not surgery, proving that it can be done when not a medical necessity.

https://www.oprah.com/health/weight/2...allstars.jhtml
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WOW! I wish I had that kind of discipline. I have a hard time losing 5 pounds.
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One woman lost over 500 lbs through exercise and diet, not surgery, proving that it can be done when not a medical necessity.
Biting my tongue.... :-)
 
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I am not a fan of the show, but you can't ignore the fact that Oprah Winfrey has done some good things with her millions and the lemming like following from the people that watch her show is just amazing.
I don't watch the program, but as a media celebrity Ms. Winfrey is a much better role-model than most. She watches her weight and reads interesting books - and isn't afraid to talk about either. Consider the competition. I once saw some gabfest called "The View", which featured a cooking segment that came close to promoting obesity as a valid lifestyle choice. The word "fat" will be forever linked in my mind to Rosie O'-whatshername stuffing Christmas cookies in her mouth with one hand while holding a chocolate-flavored alcoholic beverage in the other.
 
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I don't watch the program, but as a media celebrity Ms. Winfrey is a much better role-model than most. She watches her weight and reads interesting books - and isn't afraid to talk about either. Consider the competition. I once saw some gabfest called "The View", which featured a cooking segment that came close to promoting obesity as a valid lifestyle choice. The word "fat" will be forever linked in my mind to Rosie O'-whatshername stuffing Christmas cookies in her mouth with one hand while holding a chocolate-flavored alcoholic beverage in the other.
That's Rosie O'Donut
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Funny, the guy on the bottom row "Bill" is a guy I went to HS and college with, always a bit of a jock. I saw him about the time I started working out at the gym I had just joined that, ironically enough, he owns. He looked terrible. In fact we both did, probably close to 200# overweight between the two of us. I see him on occasion and he looks way better, funny people I haven't seen for awhile are telling me the same thing.
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I think Oprah's OK. She's cleaned up her a act a lot in recent years and is generally trying to help things. But I guess when you compare her to the rest of day time television she's a saint.
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"One woman lost over 500 lbs through exercise and diet, not surgery, proving that it can be done when not a medical necessity."

I'm all in favor of people losing weight and staying fit and all that, and certainly it's great that the lady lost that weight. But people are different. If people don't make any special effort to gain or lose weight or keep fit, some will be skinny, some will be fat, some will be in between. For the person that's naturally skinny, it seems so easy to be that away and makes it hard to understand how or why anyone could be fat. For that reason, I'm hesitant to tell other people how they should go about losing weight. I may suggest what seems to work for me, but I realize it won't work for everyone, and I'm not exactly Mr. Fitness myself. I think it's a similar thing with cigarette smoking, with alcohol, with drugs, with gambling or whatever. Some people can just walk away from those things and it doesn't bother them, and other people have a terrible time overcoming a particular problem. I personally don't feel the need for weight loss surgery or some of the other programs around, but I'm all in favor of people making the best choices they can for their health and happiness, including surgery if necessary.
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Oh I agree, for some, surgery is the best option or a necessity. Some people though would rather just have the surgery as it is faster than diet and exercise.
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"One woman lost over 500 lbs through exercise and diet, not surgery, proving that it can be done when not a medical necessity."

I'm all in favor of people losing weight and staying fit and all that, and certainly it's great that the lady lost that weight. But people are different. If people don't make any special effort to gain or lose weight or keep fit, some will be skinny, some will be fat, some will be in between. For the person that's naturally skinny, it seems so easy to be that away and makes it hard to understand how or why anyone could be fat. For that reason, I'm hesitant to tell other people how they should go about losing weight. I may suggest what seems to work for me, but I realize it won't work for everyone, and I'm not exactly Mr. Fitness myself. I think it's a similar thing with cigarette smoking, with alcohol, with drugs, with gambling or whatever. Some people can just walk away from those things and it doesn't bother them, and other people have a terrible time overcoming a particular problem. I personally don't feel the need for weight loss surgery or some of the other programs around, but I'm all in favor of people making the best choices they can for their health and happiness, including surgery if necessary.
Actually weight is an easy concept, it's simple math:

CI-CO=WC

CI - Calories in.
CO - Calories out
WC - Weight change (expressed in calories)

What is at issue is what these numbers really mean, some people are light eaters, as soon as it gets light they start eating, mostly highly processed sugary salty stuff that has little nutritional value, they are technically malnourished, probably overweight, diabetic and have high blood pressure. Other people eat a more nutritional diet, so their intake is lower, they get more value for the calories consumed.

Now on output, some people naturally burn more then others, some are more active then others, there are people who think nothing of walking 10km, other people would think of using the car to go 10m.

Weight change, there are roughly 7500 calories to 1kg of fat, anyone can do the math....

So we take 2 people, John, who believes the 4 food groups are frozen, canned, bagged and boxed, his kitchen tools consist of a microwave a spork and a mug, he drives every where he needs to go, and is nearly double the weight he should be, he is diabetic, has high blood pressure, just turned 40, and doesn't realize that within 3 years they will be filling in the died date on his tombstone....

Next we get Sven, he's always preferred fresh food, which is great his wife likes to prepare everything from scratch, they bike to the market Saturday mornings, and spend the afternoon in the kitchen, they walk most places that are within 2km of home, bike anything more up to about 40km, they take public transport for longer trips, which are few and far between as 99% of all trips are under 40km. They do not own a car. Sven is within the normal weight range, has normal blood pressure and blood sugar, he just turned 70, and is in better shape then the average American half his age, even though his parents were Swedes he was born and raised in the US, and has never been to Sweden.....
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Originally Posted by jaxgtr View Post
I am not a fan of the show, but you can't ignore the fact that Oprah Winfrey has done some good things with her millions and the lemming like following from the people that watch her show is just amazing. I was sent this link from a co-worker and it was amazing.

One woman lost over 500 lbs through exercise and diet, not surgery, proving that it can be done when not a medical necessity.
If your 500lbs over weight, I debate that weight loss isn't a medical necessity!!!!
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Oh I agree, for some, surgery is the best option or a necessity. Some people though would rather just have the surgery as it is faster than diet and exercise.
Great point. I think it's a necessity for some, and it's a good way to turn your life around, but you have to change your habits as well. Tom's a great example of this (we're thinking of you buddy. Get well soon). If you just get the surgery as an easy way out, then it won't work. My friend's dad got the surgery, and his "new" stomach has essentially stretched back to normal size because he just kept eating anyways, and now he's in even worse health than he was before.
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