How much better are road tires really?
#1
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 300
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
How much better are road tires really?
I see every one says that its best to run road tires for road riding but how much better is it then a set of knobbies? Would it be worth the money for me to invest in a set of road tires?
What I have is a Montague Paratrooper that is set up as a MTB. Would I benefit from road tires? 75% of my riding is on pavement with the other 25% being on gravel and smooth dirt. Could I just use new tires or would I need to swap out the rims too?
I have always road MTBs and never had a problem. The reason I care now is because it looks like I might be taking a security job that will allow me to do a lot of my patrols on a bike if I wish and if road tires are going to make riding easier then I want to be able to spend as much time riding as possible.
Any advice is welcome, thanks in advance.
What I have is a Montague Paratrooper that is set up as a MTB. Would I benefit from road tires? 75% of my riding is on pavement with the other 25% being on gravel and smooth dirt. Could I just use new tires or would I need to swap out the rims too?
I have always road MTBs and never had a problem. The reason I care now is because it looks like I might be taking a security job that will allow me to do a lot of my patrols on a bike if I wish and if road tires are going to make riding easier then I want to be able to spend as much time riding as possible.
Any advice is welcome, thanks in advance.
#2
Out fishing with Annie on his lap, a cigar in one hand and a ginger ale in the other, watching the sunset.
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: South Florida
Posts: 16,056
Bikes: Techna Wheelchair and a Sun EZ 3 Recumbent Trike
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 22 Times
in
17 Posts
Naw, just get some slicks and get rid of the Knobbies. .....
26X1.5 would work well, or 1.75's. The Knobbies are really only god for dirt and grass and if you get out on hardpack, and gravel and primarily pavement, then slicks will do you fine. You'll notice an immediate improvement on pavement, by the way
26X1.5 would work well, or 1.75's. The Knobbies are really only god for dirt and grass and if you get out on hardpack, and gravel and primarily pavement, then slicks will do you fine. You'll notice an immediate improvement on pavement, by the way
__________________
. “He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.”- Fredrick Nietzsche
"We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." - Immanuel Kant
. “He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.”- Fredrick Nietzsche
"We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." - Immanuel Kant
#3
Triathlon in my future???
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Southwest Iowa
Posts: 2,193
Bikes: Junk, that is why I am here. :-)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
I rode my brother-in-laws mountain bike with road tires and it was much better than the knobbies he was using before that. It is a bigger difference than you really think.
__________________
2007 Jamis Ventura Comp
2006 Jamis Explorer 2.0
2000 Specialized Hardrock (bought used)
Swim, Bike, Run and sounds like fun
2007 Jamis Ventura Comp
2006 Jamis Explorer 2.0
2000 Specialized Hardrock (bought used)
Swim, Bike, Run and sounds like fun
#4
Junior Member
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Dorr, Mi
Posts: 15
Bikes: Specialized Stumpjumper, Specialized Sequoia
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
I put slicks on my old mtb so I could ride on the road more, I picked up 2-3 mph on my average speed and I didn't have to listen to the tire noise the whole time I was riding. The ride will be a little harsher, but not too bad. I have to caution you though, it may lead to a speed adiction and a road bike purchase.
#5
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 18,138
Bikes: 2 many
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1266 Post(s)
Liked 323 Times
in
169 Posts
Just switch to high pressure road type tires, for the wheels you have. It's a huge difference. You probably will be thrilled. There are now all types of road style tires avialable for those wheels.
The 26" wheels are fine and you can always swap to knobbies later.
The 26" wheels are fine and you can always swap to knobbies later.
#6
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 300
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
I'm not so worried about my speed as I am about exercise. Whatever makes things better in the long run. The longer I can stay in the seat the better (I think). Thanks for the fast responses.
On a smiler note, any suggestions on what would be best, something with long life and can handle the occasional gravel/hard pack ride?
#7
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 306
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Thats the main thing to remember, Don't worry about the speed it will come in time you will be amazed.
Get your self a basic heart rate monitor and once your learn't what zone to stay in the weight will fall off, ( Some may disagree but most won't)
Good luck
Get your self a basic heart rate monitor and once your learn't what zone to stay in the weight will fall off, ( Some may disagree but most won't)
Good luck
#8
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Long Island
Posts: 529
Bikes: Leader 780-R; Rockhopper FSR;Trek 660; Kona Blast Hardtail
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Like some others have said, if you are going to be spending that much time on pavement, it's worth adapting ... you can fit MTB "slicks," or wider "road-type" tires, that will fit your MTB rims. You'll probably pick up a speed gain of 2-3 mph or more. And like Choppe said, "caution" it may lead to eventual road bike addiction, NTTABAT. Heh, heh.
#9
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Columbia, SC
Posts: 562
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
If this is the bike you'll be patrolling on, consider the surfaces you expect to be riding on. Road tires will be fine on roads, sidewalks, parking lots, and even hard packed dirt, and they will roll much easier. However, the first time you try to go up a wet grass hill, or some other slick surface, you'll be wishing you had those knobbies back.
#10
circus bear
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Austin
Posts: 642
Bikes: 97(?) GT Richochet, 00 Schwinn SuperSport
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
maybe its just me...
I'm running three types of tire sthis winter. Studs for ice, knobbies for snow/some ice general junk conditions and touring tires for the nice bits like this past week here in Colorado.
studs~ Slow but essential for commuting in ice/blackice. Sloooow rolling compared to the other two tyes. Depending on conditions, you will likely not run these very often in a year. Noisy! Count on peds turning to see whats making that buzzing noise behind them.
knobbies~ not as noisy. Better speed, better for most winter conditions. Harder to work than slicks but the bonus? You get a better work out and speed! when you go to slicks...A good 'workout' tire.
Slicks~ mmmMMM!! smoooooth and fast! I LOVE going to slicks! Even better if you find some high pressure ones! The easiest to work unless you get your cadence/distance up. Good re-motivation if your lacking any after too long on knobbies...
as for speed, I started the winter doing 13-17 on my commute. With slicks this week I was around 20 AND it was easier than this past fall when I started up on bikes again...
As stated by others, speed isn't important but as you get healthier, you can't help but GET faster!
I'm running three types of tire sthis winter. Studs for ice, knobbies for snow/some ice general junk conditions and touring tires for the nice bits like this past week here in Colorado.
studs~ Slow but essential for commuting in ice/blackice. Sloooow rolling compared to the other two tyes. Depending on conditions, you will likely not run these very often in a year. Noisy! Count on peds turning to see whats making that buzzing noise behind them.
knobbies~ not as noisy. Better speed, better for most winter conditions. Harder to work than slicks but the bonus? You get a better work out and speed! when you go to slicks...A good 'workout' tire.
Slicks~ mmmMMM!! smoooooth and fast! I LOVE going to slicks! Even better if you find some high pressure ones! The easiest to work unless you get your cadence/distance up. Good re-motivation if your lacking any after too long on knobbies...
as for speed, I started the winter doing 13-17 on my commute. With slicks this week I was around 20 AND it was easier than this past fall when I started up on bikes again...
As stated by others, speed isn't important but as you get healthier, you can't help but GET faster!
#12
Sophomoric Member
__________________
"Think Outside the Cage"
#13
Bike ≠ Car ≠ Ped.
Speed isn't the sole reason, either -- knobbies are terrible for cornering & braking on pavement. The knobs are only meant to punch through loose dust & dirt to grip on whatever hard surface is underneath.
To the OP -- if you spend enough time on gravel & hardpacked dirt, you'll probably do fine with treaded tires (similar to what you'd see on a car). Slicks are best for pavement, no doubt, but you might wish you had a little bit more grip when the surface loosens up.
To the OP -- if you spend enough time on gravel & hardpacked dirt, you'll probably do fine with treaded tires (similar to what you'd see on a car). Slicks are best for pavement, no doubt, but you might wish you had a little bit more grip when the surface loosens up.
#14
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Highland Park, NJ, USA
Posts: 3,798
Bikes: "Hildy", a Novara Randonee touring bike; a 16-speed Bike Friday Tikit; and a Specialized Stumpjumper frame-based built-up MTB, now serving as the kid-carrier, grocery-getter.
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
I commute and tour on a 20-year old MTB. I run knobbies in the winter, with continental Town & Country tires the rest of the year. The speed difference is phenomenal - my average speed goes down 3-4 mph with the knobbies, and I find hill climbing is harder with knobbies. (Pretty weird, I'd have thought it'd be the other way around.)
__________________
Tour Journals, Blog, ride pix
My bands:
Tour Journals, Blog, ride pix
My bands:
- Uke On! - ukulele duo - Videos
- Ukulele Abyss - ukulele cover videos - Videos
- Baroque and Hungry's (Celtic fusion) full-length studio album Mended.
- Artistic Differences - 8-track EP Dreams of Bile and Blood.
#15
circus bear
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Austin
Posts: 642
Bikes: 97(?) GT Richochet, 00 Schwinn SuperSport
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
and I'm not adverse to, umm, dry heaves from exertion.
Riding is fun, but it's also my work out...
edit: started out in August 07 on the Schwinn at about 8-11mph.
so to the O.P.~ have fun! You'll really like slicks!
hijack done...
#16
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 300
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Thanks again for all the advice. I should know in the next day or two if I am taking the job I spoke of, if so I'm going to be ordering a set of the Continental Town and Country tires. There smaller size is the same as am running now (26/1.9) so they should work just fine. I saw an artical that says that they are what a lot of police bikes use. If its a good enough general purpous tire for them then it should work great for me. If for some reason someone thinks I am overlooking something feel free to let me know.
#17
Draft Producer
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: south shore , Ma
Posts: 381
Bikes: fuji CCR 1.0 carbon,Surley Pacer,02 norco shore freeride MTB, cannondale rigid MTB, Fuji aloha 1.0, Monty trials bike
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
i have been commuting on my old mtb. before i bought my new mtb i was running 2 sets of rims for my bike. makes choosing easier. if im commuting i use the road set up 26 x 1.5 and if i was going riding on the trails i would put my other rims on with the knobs. perhaps a couple minutes to swap to either (only cause of my rim brakes need to be adjusted) knobs aside, just the rotational weight loss you will notice the acceleration is a huge difference. yea granted i gained a few mph for my top speed on this bike but when im starting from a stop sign or light its so much easier to return to top speed. also those hill climbs at the end of a long day dont hurt as much
#18
Really Old Senior Member
It also depends on what kind of knobbies you have. Some are MUCH more agressive than others and thus are MUCH worse on pavement.
When I got my old RockHopper, it had VERY agressive knobbies front & back. I'd pedal my butt off to get to 9-10 MPH. When I quit pedaling, I'd slow down to about 3 MPH within 20 yards!
I currently run 26x1.50: Serfas Driftrs. They seem to work fine for my 250 lbs., giving enough cushion for driveway lips, potholes etc., while having pretty low rolling resistance.
IF you will be doing a lot of stop & go, a smaller than 26x1.90" would be desirable. It's surprising how that seemingly small weight reduction affects acceleration.
One thing to be aware of, is a smaller dia. tire affects gearing. going from a nominal 26x2 to a 26x1.5 reduces the diameter by 4%. One tooth difference on a 12T cog is about 8%, so it's kind of like adding 1/2T to your top cog to a bike that is already going to roll much easier. That may or may not be desirable. OTOH, you may want to change the cassette anyway, if your riding conditions tend to be mostly flat.
When I got my old RockHopper, it had VERY agressive knobbies front & back. I'd pedal my butt off to get to 9-10 MPH. When I quit pedaling, I'd slow down to about 3 MPH within 20 yards!
I currently run 26x1.50: Serfas Driftrs. They seem to work fine for my 250 lbs., giving enough cushion for driveway lips, potholes etc., while having pretty low rolling resistance.
IF you will be doing a lot of stop & go, a smaller than 26x1.90" would be desirable. It's surprising how that seemingly small weight reduction affects acceleration.
One thing to be aware of, is a smaller dia. tire affects gearing. going from a nominal 26x2 to a 26x1.5 reduces the diameter by 4%. One tooth difference on a 12T cog is about 8%, so it's kind of like adding 1/2T to your top cog to a bike that is already going to roll much easier. That may or may not be desirable. OTOH, you may want to change the cassette anyway, if your riding conditions tend to be mostly flat.
#19
Change=inevitable. ?=+/-
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Sugar Land, TX
Posts: 295
Bikes: MTB, 700c commuter, BMX
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Yes, it is a huge difference. I ride 80% road, and 20% mixed gravel and packed dirt. The rolling resistance is much less, max PSI jumps to 65, and it just motivates me to ride more.
Last edited by JosephPaul86; 01-29-08 at 12:00 PM.
#20
Change=inevitable. ?=+/-
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Sugar Land, TX
Posts: 295
Bikes: MTB, 700c commuter, BMX
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
p.s.
check out academy. i bought 3 pairs of these Bell Tread alert 26x1.90" tires for only $3 each. No defect or unusual wear, I just suppose no one wanted them.
check out academy. i bought 3 pairs of these Bell Tread alert 26x1.90" tires for only $3 each. No defect or unusual wear, I just suppose no one wanted them.
#21
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: northern California
Posts: 5,603
Bikes: Bruce Gordon BLT, Cannondale parts bike, Ecodyne recumbent trike, Counterpoint Opus 2, miyata 1000
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
OP. are there any bike police in your local PDs? I would want what kinds of tires they use for your job.
#22
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 300
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
There is 1 bike police officer (small town). I will have to wait until I see him out on patrol and ask, or look for myself. I'm on a first name basis with most of them over there just not sure who the bike cop is right now (they rotate people around all the time). But that might not happen until summer. I did check the site where they order most of their gear (www.galls.com) and the 2 bikes they carry give no tire description.
#23
Pants are for suckaz
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Mt. Airy, MD
Posts: 2,578
Bikes: Hardtail MTB, Fixed gear, and Commuter bike
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
The difference between knobbies and smooth tires is the difference between driving a Geo Metro and a Ferrari F50.
You'll be faster, smoother, and be able to go harder for longer.
You'll be faster, smoother, and be able to go harder for longer.
#24
Recreational Commuter
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 1,024
Bikes: One brand-less build-up, and a Connondale Synapse Carbon Ultegra Disc. A nicer bike than I need, but it was a good deal, so... ;-)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times
in
3 Posts
- Road tires will be noticeably faster / easier.
- Road tires will handle better on hard pavement.
- Road tires will not annoy you with "knobby buzz".
- Road tires will probably last longer on a hard surface than knobbies.
Last edited by Kotts; 01-29-08 at 03:26 PM. Reason: forgot a reason...
#25
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 11,375
Bikes: '08 Surly Cross-Check, 2011 Redline Conquest Pro, 2012 Spesh FSR Comp EVO, 2015 Trek Domane 6.2 disc
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times
in
6 Posts
I've been riding a set of 700 x 35 Innova ice studs for the past two days. My usual tires are 700 x 28 Conti Ultra Gatorskins.
Huge difference! Worlds of difference. I miss my Conti's, but they'd be totally useless to me in the snow and ice this week.
Huge difference! Worlds of difference. I miss my Conti's, but they'd be totally useless to me in the snow and ice this week.
__________________
"I feel like my world was classier before I found cyclocross."
- Mandi M.
"I feel like my world was classier before I found cyclocross."
- Mandi M.