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Old 06-07-08, 09:49 AM
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Us Heavyweights have No Concept of Exercise

I guess the Skinny Minnies are at it again!...I know I've been underestimated MANY times!

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Old 06-07-08, 11:39 AM
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You know what they say... Those that are insecure say the rudest things the loudest.

It reminds me of incident from when I was in the hospital this week (8-days in hospital). The nurse (one of those guys that does triathlons and is about 4% body fat), went to take my blood pressure and pulse. My pulse was way high, but I also had a fever of 104.x... He redid my blood pressure 3 times because he refused to believe that a guy my size ([email protected]'11") could have 115/70.
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It is quite possible to be "fat" and be in terrific shape. Its also quite possible to be a bean pole and be terribly out of shape, enough to be hazardous to you health. I personally like the word; balanced. Not too skinny, not to fat, and in great shape. Thats my goal!
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As far as I'm concerned, the best way for the city to help me lose weight is to built better places to bike. That, and air-condition the outdoors. Or maybe a bicycle mall where everyone rides around on bikes to shop.
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It is the case that 80% or more of the chronic health problems in this country are due to smoking, drinking, poor diet, lack of exercise and stress. Now if everybody would just do what they "should" do, our health care system wouldn't be broken - or at least it would be less expensive to fix.

The problem is that it is difficult for anyone to change the habits that develop over years and years. I've been an competitive athlete, so at least I have experienced the process of getting fit. My expectations are in line with reality. I know how much dedication and effort it takes to really change and to maintain that change.

I never see this as an us vs them issue. I've met very few people who are successfully dealing with ALL of their lifestyle issues. The few that I have met have made themselves pretty crazy.
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How comes I get dropped by fat cyclists just as often as I get dropped by skinnies? Yesterday I was dropped by a fat one on a fixie and as he went past he said "so...what's your excuse then? Too many gears?"
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"Your "typical overwieght guy" at work copes with gas prices exactly the same as your "average guy" at work who drives daily. They make sacrifices in other places to feed their tank just like everyone else that isnt overweight and dosent ride a bike. I am not defending overweight people by any means, nor am i putting them down as i am 5'9" and 270 lbs myself. It just seems to me the only distinction that needs to be made is for the purposes of this forum are the cyclists and the non-cyclists, there are overweight, average, and underweight people in both catagories."

I posted that as a response to that thread and I figured i would throw it here as well.
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I was doing a morning ride today...just came off a quick pit stop
for some food/hydration and was pedaling away at a slowish pace when some guy sneaks up and grabs my wheel...he drafts me for the better part of 4 miles, never makes an effort to pull (not that I could have drafted his skinny butt) and I end up dropping him on a climb...thought I was easy prey apparently. I will say he helped my avg for the day 18.2 on a 25mi ride.
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It is quite possible to be "fat" and be in terrific shape. Its also quite possible to be a bean pole and be terribly out of shape, enough to be hazardous to you health. I personally like the word; balanced. Not too skinny, not to fat, and in great shape. Thats my goal!
+1, a women in my office is a stick figure and has high blood pressure, high cholesterol, hyper-tension and some issues with blood sugar. I on the other hand, am not a stick figure, more like a big fat line , have perfect bp, a very low resting HR and the only thing my doc found on my that is questionable is my good cholesterol is a little low, which can only be raise by more exercise.

It drives her nuts and I actually showed her my numbers to prove it too her.


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That, and air-condition the outdoors.
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No offense to you cyclists on here, but guys like him almost stopped me from buying a bike.

I am built like a grizzly bear, drive a full size Chevy truck, drink beer, and like to go fishing. I didn't have one thing in common with the stereotypical cyclist. Every one I had ever met was an arrogant, condescending jerk.

Then I found the Clydesdale section a few weeks back. You guys (for the most part ) seem like good people.
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Just give it a little bit of time..im sure we can show you some of us are arrogant as well...lol. Keep up the good work Nick
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You want some cheese with that whine?

Next to smoking (which I don’t), being overweight (as I am) is the most unhealthy thing I can do. It doesn’t matter that I ride 8000 miles a year. It doesn’t matter that my blood numbers and HR are all within spec. I would be healthier if I was 5’ 10” and 190 than I am at 5’ 10”, 240. And healthier yet at 170.

Your ‘skinny people can be unfit’ argument is irrelevant. If you are overweight, you would be healthier if you lost weight. Enough with the excuses.

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It seems to me that thread is about people who are unfit and doing nothing about it. That doesn't sound like anyone here so let them rant.
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I think you missed my point turboturtle, I've seen somebody that was 6'4" weighed about 175 lbs do the same set of exercises as me(for a Driving job), and as I was hardly affected by them. He came out all huffing and puffing and wheezing, where my heart rate got up to almost 120, and I wasn't out of breath at all. Thats all I was trying to point out, that just because somebody fits the chart on height weight, it doesn't necessarily make them a fit person(or healthy). I've seen up close what being too skinny can do to a body(anorexia), and I've seen the opposite extreme, I have a friend that is toping 400 lbs, and so out of shape he wheezes if he has to walk over a block.

I don't even understand where that cheese and whine comment came from.

And quite frankly, I would be healthier if I was in terrific shape, and weight be dammed, although I have made a lifestyle change to watch my food closer, but as it was only last Monday when I started, I wont have anything to report for a few more weeks, other than since I started riding my knees feel much much better, and my energy level is finally starting to come up.

And Nick the Great, people are people. I've met condescending jerks that work for McDonald's. But I will agree, this particular section of the bikeforums seem to contain an abundance of kind, caring, and helpful folk.
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And Nick the Great, people are people. I've met condescending jerks that work for McDonald's. But I will agree, this particular section of the bikeforums seem to contain an abundance of kind, caring, and helpful folk.
Oh you're right. The guys I was talking about would be jerks if they didn't have bikes.
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You want some cheese with that whine?

Next to smoking (which I don’t), being overweight (as I am) is the most unhealthy thing I can do. It doesn’t matter that I ride 8000 miles a year. It doesn’t matter that my blood numbers and HR are all within spec. I would be healthier if I was 5’ 10” and 190 than I am at 5’ 10”, 240. And healthier yet at 170.

Your ‘skinny people can be unfit’ argument is irrelevant. If you are overweight, you would be healthier if you lost weight. Enough with the excuses.

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Not always, I know a 30 year old guy who makes a fishing pole look obese, I am 47 (in a little over a week), 5'9" tall, ~210lbs, yet he would commit public assassination to be able to get my blood pressure. Guess which one is on meds for high cholesterol, hint, it's not me.

Could I lose a few pounds, sure, do I worry about it, uh no, my doctor tells me I am doing pretty good for a guy my age....
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i used to be 6ft 2 and 180 then i went to college and survived on beer and cold pizza without playing any sports and now i weigh in at 260. im working on getting down to 200 but beer and cold pizza still taste good at least im getting regular exercise now.
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i used to be 6ft 2 and 180 then i went to college and survived on beer and cold pizza without playing any sports and now i weigh in at 260. im working on getting down to 200 but beer and cold pizza still taste good at least im getting regular exercise now.

Dude, I still get looks from my Doctor of disbelief on my BP and heart rate. I am 5'10" 260lbs but 8 years ago I was a 431lbs. Doc told me to change something or I would not live to see 40 years old. I am 45 now and feel better than ever. Look forward to talking with you guys and reading some of your inspirational stories
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Dude, I still get looks from my Doctor of disbelief on my BP and heart rate. I am 5'10" 260lbs but 8 years ago I was a 431lbs. Doc told me to change something or I would not live to see 40 years old. I am 45 now and feel better than ever. Look forward to talking with you guys and reading some of your inspirational stories
i want to finish a triathlon before i turn 30, im currently 24. i figured id work my way up to the impact of jogging.
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i want to finish a triathlon before i turn 30, im currently 24. i figured id work my way up to the impact of jogging.
Hey if I can lose you can too. You just gotta want it...I know that you can do it...Any help or advice you need just ask. At your age it should be relatively easy to get back to where you were...
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You want some cheese with that whine?

Next to smoking (which I don’t), being overweight (as I am) is the most unhealthy thing I can do. It doesn’t matter that I ride 8000 miles a year. It doesn’t matter that my blood numbers and HR are all within spec. I would be healthier if I was 5’ 10” and 190 than I am at 5’ 10”, 240. And healthier yet at 170.

Your ‘skinny people can be unfit’ argument is irrelevant. If you are overweight, you would be healthier if you lost weight. Enough with the excuses.

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Some people would be unhealthy at those weights, you cant just go by height/weight. You have to account for build some people are just built thicker/denser then others. At one point about for years ago for me i was 205lb with 11% body fat (bodybuilders aim for 8%), i worked out daily and lifted weights like crazy. At 5'10" i believe those charts say something like 165, 170. I will NEVER be that low i am simply not built for it. I considered myself very healthy at 205 and by the charts that puts me in the moderately overwieght catagory. I will never be in the "normal" catagory but I can still be quite healthy. So the "be as skinny as you can possibly be" plan just dosent work for everyone.
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I think you missed my point turboturtle, I've seen somebody that was 6'4" weighed about 175 lbs do the same set of exercises as me(for a Driving job), and as I was hardly affected by them. He came out all huffing and puffing and wheezing, where my heart rate got up to almost 120, and I wasn't out of breath at all. Thats all I was trying to point out, that just because somebody fits the chart on height weight, it doesn't necessarily make them a fit person(or healthy). I've seen up close what being too skinny can do to a body(anorexia), and I've seen the opposite extreme, I have a friend that is toping 400 lbs, and so out of shape he wheezes if he has to walk over a block.

I don't even understand where that cheese and whine comment came from.

And quite frankly, I would be healthier if I was in terrific shape, and weight be dammed, although I have made a lifestyle change to watch my food closer, but as it was only last Monday when I started, I wont have anything to report for a few more weeks, other than since I started riding my knees feel much much better, and my energy level is finally starting to come up.

And Nick the Great, people are people. I've met condescending jerks that work for McDonald's. But I will agree, this particular section of the bikeforums seem to contain an abundance of kind, caring, and helpful folk.

"It is quite possible to be "fat" and be in terrific shape." is not true. Maybe having "fat" in quotes you mean something else, but being FAT is definately detrimental to your health. - TF
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I'm 49 years old, 5'6", and have never been less than 150 pounds. That was when I was 19 and working out in the gym doing heavy lifting and some real powerlifting training for at least 5 hours a day, 5-6 days a week. Right now I weigh around 225, but have BP well within range, a resting pulse in the 40s, and terrific cholesterol numbers. According to the tables, I'm obese.

Whenever I tell someone about my exercise regime, they're flabbergasted. I ride 28 miles each day, with a fairly good hill in the middle. I also lift (upper body and core) 3 days a week. I do 75 incline sit ups and 75 crunches as the cool-down part of my strength exercises. I can also get myself into a full lotus position and very nearly touch my forehead to my knees when I'm in it. I don't think I know anyone who gets more exercise than I do or is more flexible.

Sure, I carry some fat around and could probably stand to loose a bit. But, like Nick the Great, I'm a grizzly bear. Want a hug?
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Originally Posted by Wogsterca View Post
Not always, I know a 30 year old guy who makes a fishing pole look obese, I am 47 (in a little over a week), 5'9" tall, ~210lbs, yet he would commit public assassination to be able to get my blood pressure. Guess which one is on meds for high cholesterol, hint, it's not me.
I don't think you read the post you're responding to very carefully. The question isn't whether you are "healthier", by some metric (and perhaps not by others) than someone who weighs less than you; it's whether you would be healthier than you are now at a lower weight. If you're overweight, the answer is almost certainly yes.
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