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Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz
That would be cool but I aint going to Canada. I heard there are a bunch of gang members there!

I know what you mean ---- makes Compton look like Iowa.

I'm thinkin' of signing up for a real race this summer (vs. a ride or a timed ride). Haven't done one since college some 20+ years ago, and perhaps I've forgotten how much it can hurt. Seems like a good way to get motivated to ride more and dump some more lbs.

I could use somebody to come out and pull me around the course and then politely step aside at the finish -- sounds like you wouldn't be up for that..?..?..
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I'd feel used!

Matter of fact, the guy that rode with us used to race. He asked why I don't race. I explained it to him then he shot around on the last 20 yards and raised his arms in the air like Lance!
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Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz
I don't practice those rules. Last time I drank a beer might have been 10 years ago. Maybe 6 or 7 cups or cans of beer in my entire 45 years of life on this earth. Being raise a Catholic, consuming alcohol is against my religion. Nobody ever said anything about riding a bike!
Catholics can't drink********** That is amazing!!!! We must have different Catholics in our area.
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Originally Posted by Herbie53
I think you two (youcoming & Mr. Beanz) should race. The trash is gettin' deep.
I'm like Beanz and don't race, plus I have a feeling if we actually rode together we'ed end up having to much of a fun time to bother racing. And hey not all things are rosey in Canada, drugs no, no boundries, the small city I liv ein has a huge crack presence with busts happening all the time, heck we can't even have hand guns to protect ourselves.
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Oh the smell of testoterone. Sort of like Flonaise, without that wimpy flowery perfume added to it...

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CGK1's single simple rule of drafting: Don't.
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Originally Posted by youcoming
I'm like Beanz and don't race, plus I have a feeling if we actually rode together we'ed end up having to much of a fun time to bother racing. And hey not all things are rosey in Canada, drugs no, no boundries, the small city I liv ein has a huge crack presence with busts happening all the time, heck we can't even have hand guns to protect ourselves.

My comments were somewhat of a joke. Heck, here 11 yo kids are shootng their stepmothers in back of the head with 20g shotguns!
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Originally Posted by youcoming
I'm like Beanz and don't race, plus I have a feeling if we actually rode together we'ed end up having to much of a fun time to bother racing. And hey not all things are rosey in Canada, drugs no, no boundries, the small city I liv ein has a huge crack presence with busts happening all the time, heck we can't even have hand guns to protect ourselves.
I wonder if the I had a better chance to live if I smoked it (shot up??) defense ever would work. I mean I'm sure it might be a reasonable course of action in certain situation.

Hey how about you only get a hit if you pull your fair share?
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Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz
...Heck, here 11 yo kids are shootng their stepmothers in back of the head with 20g shotguns!
That would be with custom designed CHILDREN'S shotguns.
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question about drafting.....I ride mostly on a trail and we ride side by side and talk. Our last ride was 58 miles and a strong headwind the last 29 miles. Does drafting really make a big difference? The guy I ride with is about 6'2" and 250 and I am 6'4" and 227.....I guess what I want to know is if we draft instead of riding side by side, how many more miles do you think we could ride? That is on a very Straight and FLAT FLORIDA trail, with only one curve in 29 miles.
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Originally Posted by trippn1
question about drafting.....I ride mostly on a trail and we ride side by side and talk. Our last ride was 58 miles and a strong headwind the last 29 miles. Does drafting really make a big difference? The guy I ride with is about 6'2" and 250 and I am 6'4" and 227.....I guess what I want to know is if we draft instead of riding side by side, how many more miles do you think we could ride? That is on a very Straight and FLAT FLORIDA trail, with only one curve in 29 miles.
Why don't YOU try it and let us know how much quicker you're able to cover the 58 miles?
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Originally Posted by trippn1
question about drafting.....I ride mostly on a trail and we ride side by side and talk. Our last ride was 58 miles and a strong headwind the last 29 miles. Does drafting really make a big difference? The guy I ride with is about 6'2" and 250 and I am 6'4" and 227.....I guess what I want to know is if we draft instead of riding side by side, how many more miles do you think we could ride? That is on a very Straight and FLAT FLORIDA trail, with only one curve in 29 miles.
I've heard it conserves about 15% of your energy. If you get a partner that is willing to ride with you, it's great. Even if one rider pulls 5 minutes and the other pulls 2. In a good team effort, it's not about trying to ditch the other guy, it's about giving him a break allowing him to recover. Most other riders pull up to the front and lift the pace by 6 mph then fade after one minute. If the other guy is doing 20, then hold 20 when you get up there. It's about trying to hold a good pace consistently. Don't sprint off at 26!
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I'd say that 15% is a conservative estimate, probably 25-30%. I still spin with the same cadence, but simply go much faster. So the workout is still significant and the ride is much quicker. If you are with people that know what they are doing it is very easy. IMO a 5 minute pull is kinda long when in a group. Pull for a couple minutes then rotate. I'm no expert but this is what i've seen from my humble experiences. Everyone pulls for a little while and everyone stays fresh.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz
I've heard it conserves about 15% of your energy. If you get a partner that is willing to ride with you, it's great. Even if one rider pulls 5 minutes and the other pulls 2. In a good team effort, it's not about trying to ditch the other guy, it's about giving him a break allowing him to recover. Most other riders pull up to the front and lift the pace by 6 mph then fade after one minute. If the other guy is doing 20, then hold 20 when you get up there. It's about trying to hold a good pace consistently. Don't sprint off at 26!
REminds me of th efirst time I was in a paceline. I got up front and didn't slow down to rotate in. Ride leader came up behind me grabbed my jersey pulled me back and in no better terms told me to stop being an a**, then explained exactly what Beanz said. Hold off on the sprint till you close in on pre determined sprint points and only if you did your time up front.
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Originally Posted by jesspal
IMO a 5 minute pull is kinda long when in a group.

It is but I was going off what the question he asked about the two of them. Figuring one is more than likely stronger than the other. He can do longer pulls to equal out the equation.

I once rode in a line of 10 willing riders. We all did one minute at the front. It was cool!
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Another rule or drafting I forgot all about is no SNOT ROCKETS. We have a former racer from Europe who seems to forget he's no longer in the pros and we do not appreciate his skill at blowing it right at ya!
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Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz
It is but I was going off what the question he asked about the two of them. Figuring one is more than likely stronger than the other. He can do longer pulls to equal out the equation.

I once rode in a line of 10 willing riders. We all did one minute at the front. It was cool!

yeah if you have 10 strong riders that all take turns like that for a minute it can really be a blast
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It is easy for me to lose my rotating paceline mojo. Just a few months of riding mostly alone, and I get scolded for pushing too hard off the front when it is my turn. Happens EVERY SINGLE YEAR too. I always think that I'm not doing it too, but the riders around here are quick to point out that I DO. Every, single, year.

I don't know what percent energy riding in a paceline saves you, but riding with people that are willing to take their turns pulling can make a HUGE difference. Riding with other people is also fun in general. Even if you don't talk much while riding, like me (no, I'm not trying to be rude or am mad at you, I'm just doing my riding and thinking...thing), cooperating with other riders certainly adds something extra to riding in general.

Unlike Mr. Beanz, I don't really mind wheel-suckers. As long as they don't ride erratically in front of me, I'm fine. I don't have that competitive race mentality either. Just keeping up with guys that weigh 35+ lbs less than I do on any 3+ hour ride is good enough for me.

I don't like whiners either. When I've been lazy and suck, I just fess up. I've sucked before, and lived through it. No biggie. I expect the same out of others. No whining, and blaming everything else under the sun.

This is supposed to be fun, right?
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Thanks guys.....My next ride will be the Tour de Cure in Venice on March 1st......I am riding it alone, but I am hoping to jump in with a group like Jess did. It is my first attempt at a century so wish me luck.
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I ride pacelines a lot. Of course I am a favorite because of my size, but no big deal. Rotating is the key to a good paceline. If a rider stays in front too long he/she cannot hold on when they rotate back.
Most of the time I will increase my average speed 3 MPH or so in a paceline over riding solo. I think part of that is the drafting and part of that is the challenge of staying with the group.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz
Thought of this after today's ride. Rule #1: Gina's got my wheel no matter what!
And I've got hers!
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I think I posted this video before but it's a great example on how drafting and paceline should be done.
https://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/...eoPref=vfastwm
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Originally Posted by youcoming
I think I posted this video before but it's a great example on how drafting and paceline should be done.
https://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/...eoPref=vfastwm
very coooool. I was googling like crazy looking for that the other day. Thanks for posting!
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Originally Posted by jesspal
I'd say that 15% is a conservative estimate, probably 25-30%.
Definitely. Also, when you're in a large, unorganized (non-paceline) pack, it's a better draft than when you're in a single-file paceline (which is better than alone).

Originally Posted by jesspal
Pull for a couple minutes then rotate. I'm no expert but this is what i've seen from my humble experiences. Everyone pulls for a little while and everyone stays fresh.
Yep...general rule of thumb is: the more riders sharing in the line, the less time you spend on the front. Many non-racers don't understand this. I wonder if it annoys them when I get to the front only to pull off right away when we have a group of 15-20.

Absolute rule is: when your speed starts to even hint at slowing, get off the front. (Of course, by then, you're too late--you've used all your matches--and will probably be off-the-back anyway. )

Originally Posted by trippn1
question about drafting.....I ride mostly on a trail and we ride side by side and talk. Our last ride was 58 miles and a strong headwind the last 29 miles. Does drafting really make a big difference? The guy I ride with is about 6'2" and 250 and I am 6'4" and 227.....I guess what I want to know is if we draft instead of riding side by side, how many more miles do you think we could ride? That is on a very Straight and FLAT FLORIDA trail, with only one curve in 29 miles.
Ummm...yeah...it does. (Downside: not easy to converse. So pacelines are best only when it suits your purposes.)
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