Calories In Calories Out
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Calories In Calories Out
Not sure why I'm posting. The answer is (of course) as simple as "They're wrong".
Been having trouble keeping up in races lately--I hit my max when I should only be in zone 3 or 4. I thought it might be due to an injury and about 2-weeks off the bike. Then I got on the scale: I had gained about 5-10 lbs. So, back on the Diet Wagon
In the past, I had kept track of calories on FitDay, but they had made some design changes that I didn't approve of, so I went looking for another solution. I went to Spark People to help keep track. But, I'm thinking it looks too busy, so I'm not 100% happy with it. Then I found Lose It! for my iPhone, and I think I really like it. Could be better, but it's got a solid base to start with.
Went out for a nice 2-1/2 hour, 45-mile ride this morning. Thought I'd crank up the time and drop some weight. Now here's the info and dilemma(s) I see so far...
Anyone else have a problem with these numbers?
Been having trouble keeping up in races lately--I hit my max when I should only be in zone 3 or 4. I thought it might be due to an injury and about 2-weeks off the bike. Then I got on the scale: I had gained about 5-10 lbs. So, back on the Diet Wagon
In the past, I had kept track of calories on FitDay, but they had made some design changes that I didn't approve of, so I went looking for another solution. I went to Spark People to help keep track. But, I'm thinking it looks too busy, so I'm not 100% happy with it. Then I found Lose It! for my iPhone, and I think I really like it. Could be better, but it's got a solid base to start with.
Went out for a nice 2-1/2 hour, 45-mile ride this morning. Thought I'd crank up the time and drop some weight. Now here's the info and dilemma(s) I see so far...
- Lose It! has me on a 2,200 calorie/day goal to drop about 2 lbs. per week. This does not take into account exercise: it's totally based on resting metabolic rate.
- SparkPeople says I burned 4,342 cals on this morning's ride.
- Lose It! says I burned 3,640.
- My data uploading software, Ascent (for Macintosh), says I burned 2,047 cals.
- Me? I'm a pessimist here, so I think Ascent is more accurate.
- At this point so far today, I've eaten 1200 cals.
- Lose It! therefore has me at a deficit for the day of 4,500 cals and if I eat this many cals for the rest of the day, I'll still be on target to lose those 2 lbs. per week. That's a really big dinner!
Anyone else have a problem with these numbers?
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A lot of the numbers are wrong. So are our "perceived" sizes of portions.
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Not sure why I'm posting. The answer is (of course) as simple as "They're wrong".
Been having trouble keeping up in races lately--I hit my max when I should only be in zone 3 or 4. I thought it might be due to an injury and about 2-weeks off the bike. Then I got on the scale: I had gained about 5-10 lbs. So, back on the Diet Wagon
In the past, I had kept track of calories on FitDay, but they had made some design changes that I didn't approve of, so I went looking for another solution. I went to Spark People to help keep track. But, I'm thinking it looks too busy, so I'm not 100% happy with it. Then I found Lose It! for my iPhone, and I think I really like it. Could be better, but it's got a solid base to start with.
Went out for a nice 2-1/2 hour, 45-mile ride this morning. Thought I'd crank up the time and drop some weight. Now here's the info and dilemma(s) I see so far...
Anyone else have a problem with these numbers?
Been having trouble keeping up in races lately--I hit my max when I should only be in zone 3 or 4. I thought it might be due to an injury and about 2-weeks off the bike. Then I got on the scale: I had gained about 5-10 lbs. So, back on the Diet Wagon
In the past, I had kept track of calories on FitDay, but they had made some design changes that I didn't approve of, so I went looking for another solution. I went to Spark People to help keep track. But, I'm thinking it looks too busy, so I'm not 100% happy with it. Then I found Lose It! for my iPhone, and I think I really like it. Could be better, but it's got a solid base to start with.
Went out for a nice 2-1/2 hour, 45-mile ride this morning. Thought I'd crank up the time and drop some weight. Now here's the info and dilemma(s) I see so far...
- Lose It! has me on a 2,200 calorie/day goal to drop about 2 lbs. per week. This does not take into account exercise: it's totally based on resting metabolic rate.
- SparkPeople says I burned 4,342 cals on this morning's ride.
- Lose It! says I burned 3,640.
- My data uploading software, Ascent (for Macintosh), says I burned 2,047 cals.
- Me? I'm a pessimist here, so I think Ascent is more accurate.
- At this point so far today, I've eaten 1200 cals.
- Lose It! therefore has me at a deficit for the day of 4,500 cals and if I eat this many cals for the rest of the day, I'll still be on target to lose those 2 lbs. per week. That's a really big dinner!
Anyone else have a problem with these numbers?
The only true way to know is to be tested for your own rate at converting calories into watts, then put a power meter on your bike and track the actual watts out, Then convert watts out to calories out. Of course this has little to do with converting calories in food into calories available for output, which I believe is also an individual thing... Just because a food has 500 calories in it, doesn't mean that 500 calories are available for use.
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A 2lb/week pace puts you around a 1000 cal deficit per day. If you are in anywhere near decent shape, that's a high rate to lose weight at, and you'll be losing muscle too. Get used to not being able to keep up in races I guess.
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I've been back to using my HRM to track caloric expenditure, and I've found it to be a reasonable tool. Certainly better than many of the online freebie tracking software, and even more accurate than the built in numbers on the Keyoe Diet Assistant software (which I paid for.)
At least the caloric intake numbers on Keyoe are spot on to what's listed on the labels for everything I've found, so I trust it for produce and other such items w/o labels.
At least the caloric intake numbers on Keyoe are spot on to what's listed on the labels for everything I've found, so I trust it for produce and other such items w/o labels.
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Me? I'm a pessimist here, so I think Ascent is more accurate.
Btw, a definition...
Pessimist: A word used by optimists to describe and deride realists.
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I weight 327 and have a garmin 705. The garmin is consistently double what my powertap calculates assuming a 18% efficiency (which seems pretty accurate and on the low end). I did an experiment and changed my weight in the garmin and to equal what my powertap calculates I would have to weigh 155 lbs! Don't trust the high caloric counts you are getting IMHO.
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I've been back to using my HRM to track caloric expenditure, and I've found it to be a reasonable tool. Certainly better than many of the online freebie tracking software, and even more accurate than the built in numbers on the Keyoe Diet Assistant software (which I paid for.)
At least the caloric intake numbers on Keyoe are spot on to what's listed on the labels for everything I've found, so I trust it for produce and other such items w/o labels.
At least the caloric intake numbers on Keyoe are spot on to what's listed on the labels for everything I've found, so I trust it for produce and other such items w/o labels.
I guess I just need to pony up and get a PowerTap.
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A few of us are doing a climbing ride this Saturday. From Encanto park, across Sierra Madre then up GMR to the village. Maybe 60 miles with about 6k of climbing. Join us, you'll lose that 5 lbs!
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I would lose that much in sweat in the first half!!!!
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It doesn't matter if it's wrong as long as it's consistently wrong.
It's all a wild guess- nobody burns the exact same amount of calories in any activity and you're probably not measuring your intake properly anyway.
Just stick with a routine and you'll find out what's right or wrong soon enough.
It's all a wild guess- nobody burns the exact same amount of calories in any activity and you're probably not measuring your intake properly anyway.
Just stick with a routine and you'll find out what's right or wrong soon enough.
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The only true way to know is to be tested for your own rate at converting calories into watts, then put a power meter on your bike and track the actual watts out, Then convert watts out to calories out. Of course this has little to do with converting calories in food into calories available for output, which I believe is also an individual thing... Just because a food has 500 calories in it, doesn't mean that 500 calories are available for use.
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Eating only 1200 calories on the first half of the day was a big mistake. You can't eat a big 3000 calorie meal at the end of the day, 8 hours after your exercise, and only a few hours before you sleep. You should be having a good breakfast and a proper recovery drink/meal right after the ride. By lunch time you should've had ~2000 calories alone if you rode in the morning. Then spread the rest of the calories over the day, don't ball them into one meal. If that means carrying fruit and energy bars and sandwiches and munching at 1hr intervals all day long, so be it; but get those calories in.
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Not sure how much you weigh, but my powertap pretty consistently shows 40-50 calories per mile. I believe that a lot of other devices greatly inflate the number of cal burned.
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I spent a year without making hardly any strength gains lifting 3x/week and not losing any significant weight. Around January I started eating more and more often, and I've since increased all my lifts by 20-30%, not gained any weight, and my body fat percentage has come down.
Food intake can be counterintuitive, and so-called "dieting" is counterproductive for people that actually exercise.
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I use this calculator to see how many calories I need every day to sustain energy and still loose weight.
https://www.ahealthyme.com/topic/calneed
I do exercise at least 4 days/week for more than 1 hour.
And it's never a diet, it's a change of lifestyle. A diet is temporary and will never succeed, a change in lifestyle is permanent and will keep your weight down.
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I do exercise at least 4 days/week for more than 1 hour.
And it's never a diet, it's a change of lifestyle. A diet is temporary and will never succeed, a change in lifestyle is permanent and will keep your weight down.
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I dont know how many miles but come out with us on sunday for our epic 4-5 hour mountain bike rides. Come learn how a 2-3k calorie after meal still relates to weight loss .
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Here's a good place to start: BMR Calculator...
I use this calculator to see how many calories I need every day to sustain energy and still loose weight.
https://www.ahealthyme.com/topic/calneed...
https://www.ahealthyme.com/topic/calneed...
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I find that when I'm working out regularly, if I feel hungry I have not been eating enough.
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I'd say that you can't trust any of the calculators.
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Of course, I try to eat sensibly, but I sure don't over-think my food intake issues. Mostly, I just pedal my Sass off.