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Old 04-03-09, 02:23 PM
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Are there any Clydes Riding Neuvation

I'm looking tto upgrade my wheels. I currently have Bontrager selects on my madone. I was looking at Neuvation M28 aeros. All the reviews seem to be positive. Is there anybody in the forum riding on Neuvation and are they an upgrade fromby Bontrager selects. I also have a set of Easton EA90 aeros at my lbs, unfortunately I can't justify $800 right now.
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I own a set of Neuvation M28 Aero2 wheels. I put quite a few miles on them when I was 210lbs and never had any problems. Believe me, for only $200 I wasn't especially gentle with them. They were true and properly tensioned out of the box and after a couple of thousand miles, they haven't needed any adjustments. They're a lot more bomb-proof that the old 36-spoke Trek wheels they replaced. That said, they are a low-spoke count wheel; there's no weight limit on the wheels, but if you're north of 250lbs, you might want to think twice about them. Also, don't believe the hype: the M28 Aero2 is not terribly aerodynamic. At least not that I can tell. They get pushed around more in a cross-wind, but I haven't been able to discern any tangible benefit from the alleged "aero" profile.

At the end of last year, I found a fantastic deal on a set of Easton EA90 SL wheels. They're allegedly quite a bit lighter that the Neuvations, so I snapped them up. They're nice wheels, but not a huge upgrade from the M28 Aero2. Measured on a the scale, they're definitely lighter. On the road, I'm not sure I could identify them in a blind test. Except for the fact that the freewheel makes a lot more noise than the Neuvations. The SLs are a bit stiffer, which mostly means that I feel bumps more when riding them versus the Aero2s.

I don't know anything about current Bontrager wheels, so I can't say whether either the Neuvation M28 Aeros or the EA90 Aeros would be an upgrade.
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I think I'll treat myself to a set. Yes i'm north of 250, but the botragers are low spoke count wheels too. 20f 24R. The only time the front need a true was after a bit of a mash up with a pedestrain.
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M28's

Not sure if you've ordered the wheels or not yet but I'm currently at 265 up from 240 >< ... anyway I've been riding M28's for ~ 1000 miles now and they're still very true. I've had no problems with them, potholes included. Only note I'll make is that the spoke tension on them is very high. Also look for the newest model with the silver hubs. The old styled hub had an issue with the flange breaking on the rear hub.
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Well, this "clyde" dont ride Nuevation.

This 'clyde' rides Ambrosio. Nuevations would look totally out of whack on my vintage italian beauty.
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I have a set of the older M28 Aero2's. Completely reliable, until I got up to about 10k miles on them. Since then I've broken a couple of spokes. Not the end of the world, but on low spoke count wheels, that does kind of leave you stranded (both broken spokes were on the rear, and we couldn't bring the wheel back close enough into true so I could limp home on it). I've switched to a set of Mavic Ksyriums (which of course will have exactly the same issue if spokes start breaking). My new bike will have more traditional wheels with 32 spokes.

BTW, I weigh about 210 and put 8 - 10k miles per year on my bike. Pretty hard miles too - rural roads that aren't always in good repair, and lots of climbing and descending.

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I really want to try the Soul S 4.0's, they look like nice wheels are a decent price point.
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Email the Neuvation and see what they say. I had similar questions last year and they were great about responding. I ended up having my LBS guy build out a 32 hole open Pro set for me and have been happy as a clam. I float between 240 and 250 and the rear has been touched up once.
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the souls look nice. Rats now I'm more confuzzled.
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From their FAQ:

What’s the weight limit on your wheels?

I really don’t have set weight limits. But here are some rough guide lines:

* M 28 Aero: The strongest wheels I sell. Good for really big guys even over 250.
* M 28: Still very strong wheels but not quite as strong as the Aero wheels. Good to 240.
* R series: Probably good to 220 but if you are 220 pounds of muscle and are hard on wheels it might be a stretch.
* Carbon wheels: Your taking your chances at any weight. The heavier you are the more likely you will bottom out the tire and crack the rim.
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There is no weight limit on Bontrager selects. I don't even think new wheels I just want em. Bonti selects on a madone sl just doesn't seem right. This is my first road bike so I have zero experiance to go with. I ride 20 miles a day. I'm looking to increase my distance so I can ride a century by the end of the summer. So far I'm considering 3 wheels Neuvation m28 aeros. Easton Ea90 aeros and soul 2.0 or soul 4.0s. The 4.0 seem the strongest. The 2.0 are the lightest, They can build em with wider spokes to give em a bit more strength. Or I can split the differance with the 3.0. The souls seem to be the winners purely on price point. They split the differance between the neuvations and the eastons. I'll probably wind up putting all of them in a jar and pulling out a wheel name.
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While the Soul's look cool, I'd eliminate them just based on the potential ordering and warranty hassles. By all accounts, Sean is a great guy but Singapore is a long way from North America when it comes to warranty issues...
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Yes and Sean couldn't give me very much information regarding weight restrictions. All he said was the heavier you are the faster they will wear out? no duh!
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I spoke to sean last night. He said I can expect the wheel to last about a year. Singapore is a long way off; John at Neuvation was really nice and I love my Neuvation saddle. Too bad the eastons $800 at my lbs. I'd feel bad going around the LBS I love the guys but I love saving money more.
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If they want you to come back and buy another bike they should understand that you need to save in other areas. I bought a Rival crank for my CAAD-9 for $148 dollars, and the LBS will install for $20. They sell the crank for much more than what I will pay for both.
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Originally Posted by Bigboxeraf
I spoke to sean last night. He said I can expect the wheel to last about a year. Singapore is a long way off; John at Neuvation was really nice and I love my Neuvation saddle. Too bad the eastons $800 at my lbs. I'd feel bad going around the LBS I love the guys but I love saving money more.
Ask your LBS how much it would cost for them to build you a set of wheels with Mavic OpenPro rims laced to Shimano Ultegra hubs using DT Swiss Revolution spokes. BWW will build a set for $285, IIRC, and claims the weight of this combo is around 1700g, which is in the same ballpark as the Neuvation M28 Aero wheels. They're not a sexy as the low-spoke count Neuvation wheels, but my guess is that they'll end up being a lot more durable...
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I was looking at BWW they have some nice deals there. I think i'm going to give them a call. I'm a bit of a novice and I would prefer someone to talk to; the internet is actually offering me too much choice. I need to simplify my needs. My LBS doesn't make wheels. I can try another shop.
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I have walked home twice riding Neuvation M28 aero. Rear flange broke both times. I ride at 240 pounds.
I also have developed an issue with the aero spokes. They catch too much cross wind.
Mavic open pro was my answer.
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I also have developed an issue with the aero spokes. They catch too much cross wind.
I don't think the spokes are the problem in a cross-wind so much as the V-shaped rim. While there's no real aero benefit to the rim profile, the Neuvation M28 Aero's are a bit of a handful in a cross-wind. That said, my low-profile Easton EA90 SLs were a handful when I was out riding in 25mph cross-winds last week!
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Originally Posted by Bigboxeraf
I was looking at BWW they have some nice deals there. I think i'm going to give them a call. I'm a bit of a novice and I would prefer someone to talk to; the internet is actually offering me too much choice. I need to simplify my needs. My LBS doesn't make wheels. I can try another shop.
If the Internet is offering you too much choice, perhaps you don't really need new wheels?

There are two ways to make this decision: 1) Ask yourself what problems you're having with your current wheels that you'd like to solve, or 2) decide on a budget and which factors matter most when making your decision (e.g. cool looks, weight, reliability, rigidity, price, local build/service, aero profile, freewheel quietness, tubular/tubeless/clincher tires, etc).

The last time I bought wheels, my factors were: weight, reliability, and price. I wanted something around 1500g, I wanted them to be reliable, I didn't care about aero, and I had a budget of $400-500. Found a great eBay deal on the Easton EA90 SLs I'm currently using, got 25% cashback from live.com, and ended up paying a bit less than $400.
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The aero design I'm going with because they stronger from what I understand. I'm no tri athelete I don't need to worry about an aero design. I wan't the lightest strongest wheel for my size. I've just about maxed out my speed with the bonti's. They get a bit squirrly at high speed. Looks are factor too.
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Another vote for Neuvation. Best is probably to go with a 36 spoke light touring wheel, but if you want something racer-like, I doubt anything can touch them for the money. My understanding is the rear flange issue was remedied at least one generation ago and they do stand behind their product.
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Originally Posted by Bigboxeraf
The aero design I'm going with because they stronger from what I understand. I'm no tri athelete I don't need to worry about an aero design. I wan't the lightest strongest wheel for my size. I've just about maxed out my speed with the bonti's. They get a bit squirrly at high speed. Looks are factor too.
I would try to figure out your high-speed handling problems before purchasing new wheels. Unless there is something physically wrong with the current wheels (e.g. the bearings are shot or they flex too much), new wheels are unlikely to cure the handling problems. If flexiness is the problem, going to an even lower spoke wheelset like the Neuvations may be a mistake. It may also be a mistake to purchase an "aero" wheel since they can be a handful in even a moderate cross-wind.

Allow me to suggest that shedding weight isn't likely to make much of a difference either, unless it's more than 250g. Which is to say: my EA90s are 200g lighter than my Neuvations and there isn't a particularly noticeable difference in the way they climb hills, accelerate, or how far I can ride them.
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I'm going with the eastons. I rode over to the LBS today and talked to the owner. We struck a nice deal. $800 wheels, tires and a casette. I'm not worried about the Aero profile. The Bontragers have a semi aero profile. I'm going to get the neuvations In September.
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Originally Posted by Bigboxeraf
I'm going with the eastons. I rode over to the LBS today and talked to the owner. We struck a nice deal. $800 wheels, tires and a casette. I'm not worried about the Aero profile. The Bontragers have a semi aero profile. I'm going to get the neuvations In September.
Sounds like the deal you found isn't bad, but it's not great either. I bought my 2008 Easton EA90 SL wheels for around $400 at the end of last year. If you're interested in similar wheels, you can buy these for $440 and pay your LBS to swap the Campy freehub for a Shimano one. I would expect the conversion from Campy to Shimano to cost less than $100.

BTW, why would you buy $800 Easton wheels now and $200 Neuvation wheels in September?
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