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Originally Posted by CPFITNESS
FWIW, I've asked for some info from fellow New York cyclists who understand the city conditions well. The problem is none of them are clydes so they don't have nearly the issues with flatting as I have
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Originally Posted by CPFITNESS
FWIW, I've asked for some info from fellow New York cyclists who understand the city conditions well. The problem is none of them are clydes so they don't have nearly the issues with flatting as I have
I'm a clyde, I ride a fixed gear and a road bike, I live on the UES and I'm not a banker or lawyer. My advice still stands. If you know what kind of flats you're getting, that tells you what you need to do to avoid them. Pinch flats, outside punctures, inside punctures, sidewall blowouts?
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Have you asked the LBS "WHY" you keep getting so many flats? I would think they would be willing to pinpoint the problem.

Then, go from there.............
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Originally Posted by CPFITNESS
Um, what advice have I snarked at? Obviously people don't know my skill level but I'm a pretty smart guy,
Curious as to what mini pump you used while breaking the valves on your tubes? I'm not a real smart guy but I do read the inflation capabilites of a pump included on the box.

I'm a clyde about your weight and won't even suit up for a 24 miler. But I never break valves and rarely flat on much tougher rides/roads than city riding, along with several others here.

BTW, this isn't the "Clyde" forum, it's the "Clyde/Athena forum" so I'm pretty sure an Athena has just as much right to post/reply here.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz
Curious as to what mini pump you used while breaking the valves on your tubes? I'm not a real smart guy but I do read the inflation capabilites of a pump included on the box.

I'm a clyde about your weight and won't even suit up for a 24 miler. But I never break valves and rarely flat on much tougher rides/roads than city riding, along with several others here.

BTW, this isn't the "Clyde" forum, it's the "Clyde/Athena forum" so I'm pretty sure an Athena has just as much right to post/reply here.
We're about the same weight and I get maybe one flat a year average...some years I may never have one, others maybe 2 or 3, and I, like many here put in a LOT of miles in a LOT of conditions. I can't remember the last time I broke a valve with a pump since Road Morphs came out...though I do remember doing so before that when using traditional frame pumps and not paying attention to what I was doing.

But ya know, the OP being a personal trainer and all, he probably is just too strong for mortal tubes, unlike us little gurly men.
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Originally Posted by chipcom
We're about the same weight and I get maybe one flat a year average...some years I may never have one, others maybe 2 or 3, and I, like many here put in a LOT of miles in a LOT of conditions. I can't remember the last time I broke a valve with a pump since Road Morphs came out...though I do remember doing so before that when using traditional frame pumps and not paying attention to what I was doing.

But ya know, the OP being a personal trainer and all, he probably is just too strong for mortal tubes, unlike us little gurly men.


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Specialized All-Condition Armadillos cranked up past their MAX pressure to 120. got'm on 3 of 4 bikes - so far so good.

I weight 223 this week, I think
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We have a few here that are "under the Clyde Weight, but are over 6 feet tall, so still CLydes, and we have a few roadies (little greyhound whippets), that post in here with very good training advice and support for our weight loss Clydes as well as our Racing Clydes, because they respect and admire what we are doing. They are all welcome.

Originally Posted by CPFITNESS
WE'VE BEEN INFILTRATED!!!! FYI, this is the clydesdale forum. I'm 250, thats a significant difference. So I just got back from 4 loops (24miles) in central park. Stopped by the bike shop and talked them a bit first. They agreed that a good footpump or a good bike specific pressure gauge to check at home and then swing by them is ideal. to the poster that said going to the bike shop for air is a pita, not sure if you read my other posts but I live in Manhattan, I can ride the 4 blocks to my LBS faster than I can get up and down my stairs 2 times for the damn pump!
To the one who suggested I leave one at work, work is a gym on the 46th floor, I can definately leave one there in my locker and at least I can take the elevator up and down! I may end up doing this simply because bike shop opens at 10 am, most mornings I'm out the door between 5:15 and 6:15. I can get the 10 blocks to work in the am on slightly soft tires but it's annoying if I'm done with a client at 830 or 930 and want to immediately go for a ride and the bike shop isn't open yet (then I guess that leaves the gas station!)

So FWIW, the bike shop checked out the front wheel, we deflated the tire and double checked the bead and pumped it up again. the same thing, when we spin the tire, the rim is def true but the tire has a little bit of wobble to it. If I have another episode of tire popping off the rim, I'm going to send it back to specialized as a defect.

One question that I think I missed is what was causing my flats. The first issue wasn't an actual flat, something made the sidewall of the tire bubble out and the tire had proper pressure. bikeshop is trying to get manf to replace. 2nd time, i got tire fixed at bikeshop downtown, I didn't ask them what caused it and they didn't give me the tire back. the other flats were caused by me breaking the valves incorrectly thinking that my mini pump could fill them completely. Yesterdays flat seems to have been caused by debris. there is a tiny little slit in the tube and it appears to be close to where the topside would be if the tire were inflated. A pinch flat would be on the rim side, correct?

So hopefully, my issues are under control, these new york streets really suck. I think eventually I will get a second set of rims. I will put slightly larger tires on these stock rims and then get a better set of rims and outfit them with lighter "racing" tires for days when I want to go for fast pleasure rides in areas like central park with smoothly paved and relatively debris free streets. Not to mention the feel of the armadillos completely SUCKS! If they will prevent flats, then I will deal with the feel, but it's a noticeably smoother faster ride with the stock rubber.
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Originally Posted by CPFITNESS
the other flats were caused by me breaking the valves incorrectly thinking that my mini pump could fill them completely.
Take whatever minipump you've got, get rid of it, and buy a Topeak RoadMorph G. It's got a comfortable handle, a footpeg so you can use it like a miniature floor pump, and an extendable hose with a thumb-lock chuck so you don't break valve stems. I've used it on tires up to 135psi.

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So hopefully, my issues are under control, these new york streets really suck. I think eventually I will get a second set of rims. I will put slightly larger tires on these stock rims and then get a better set of rims and outfit them with lighter "racing" tires for days when I want to go for fast pleasure rides in areas like central park with smoothly paved and relatively debris free streets. Not to mention the feel of the armadillos completely SUCKS! If they will prevent flats, then I will deal with the feel, but it's a noticeably smoother faster ride with the stock rubber.
Don't worry about rolling on 28 or 32mm tires and losing much speed. Some of the fastest guys in my randonneuring club (sub-12 hours for 300k) are rolling on 30mm tires. If you have to deal with cracked pavement, potholes or chip-seal, your hands/wrists/shoulders and backside will thank you in the long run for chosing a wider tire which can soak up more road vibration.

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one last question. my tires are 700x28. they always sell me 700x23 tubes. Would I get anymore durability with a larger tube?
Get a 28 - 32mm tube. You'll be at the lower end of the inflation rating and the rubber won't be stretched as thin.
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Flats come in bunches! Hopefully youhave gotten yours out of the way. I ride off road and like Kenda Small Block 8, Nevegals and Kross. I just switched back to Velocirayors. They seem to have a little more resistance, but hold the trail exceptionally. I'm a slime fan and one day will try Stan's.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz
Curious as to what mini pump you used while breaking the valves on your tubes? I'm not a real smart guy but I do read the inflation capabilites of a pump included on the box.

I'm a clyde about your weight and won't even suit up for a 24 miler. But I never break valves and rarely flat on much tougher rides/roads than city riding, along with several others here.

BTW, this isn't the "Clyde" forum, it's the "Clyde/Athena forum" so I'm pretty sure an Athena has just as much right to post/reply here.

i didn't read the box because the guy at the shop took it out of the box and described it at which time I asked him "How accurate is the gauge on there?" He told me it was "Very Accurate" I then asked if it was capable of pumping up my tires fully and he said "definately". When I took it home and read the instructions there was no mention of this pumps inflation capablilites and the rational guy that I am, i assumed that if the gauge went up to 120 it could pump that high. Obviously it can't. When I tried to use it and gripped it the correct way it got decently inflated but as the pressure got up I'm looking at the gauge and it says 60psi so I'm pushing as hard as I can.
And yes, I'm a personal trainer so yeah, I'm fairly strong, the valve stems don't stand a chance against me!

As for your Athena comment, thats a little bit out of left field, did I ever say an Athena couldn't reply here? personally I think both names are stupid but I'm well versed in internet forums and being a noob I can't make comments like that (oops I just did!)

I think I'm going to try the 28/32 tubes next time I have issues and a new set of wheels are probably on the horizon.
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I personally use a combo pump the GI Second Wind.. It is the best of both worlds.. A nice compact mini pump which also allows you to use threaded co2 cartridges. If you use a 16g cartridge, that will get you to 110-120 psi.. the 12g will give you around 90 psi.. If you are having lots of flats, you may want to consider using MR. Tuffy, tire liners..

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Originally Posted by CPFITNESS
As for your Athena comment, thats a little bit out of left field, did I ever say an Athena couldn't reply here?
Along the same lines, did I ever say you said Athenas couldn't post here? No, I posted a comment to referring to your statement "FYI, this is the cludesdale forum" which is incorrect.

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WE'VE BEEN INFILTRATED!!!! FYI, this is the clydesdale forum.
Just a little advice, read the manuals, reviews etc on any bike product that may have concerns. Like most of us know, one guy at the shop may tell you it's fine (making a sale) and 5 others say NOT! Do some research to avoid the age old issues such as a "Clyde riding a wheelset witha 120 max weight limit" cause the dude at the shop wanted to make a sale!
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You assumed I was male, and thus was not a Clyde. I have since been informed via PM that the weight cutoff for Athenas is 150 lbs, so I am technically an Athena, and while I might not weigh as much as you, I do have the same issues I have to worry about.

As far as snapping off valves is concerned, just about anyone can do that, really. It's not a matter of strength, it's a matter of technique. If you are snapping valves off, you are doing it wrong. I would also recommend a Topeak RoadMorph G as it is a very nice pump. Doesn't take much effort or exertion to get the tire to high psi (I used it 2 weeks ago on someone else's flat, went up to 120 no problem), lots of leverage via the foot and hand grip to stabilize the motion, and very easy to place the chuck on the valve. All around an excellent pump.
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Originally Posted by deep_sky
I would also recommend a Topeak RoadMorph G as it is a very nice pump. Doesn't take much effort or exertion to get the tire to high psi (I used it 2 weeks ago on someone else's flat, went up to 120 no problem), lots of leverage via the foot and hand grip to stabilize the motion, and very easy to place the chuck on the valve. All around an excellent pump.
+1.
See my earlier suggestion about the Topeak RM-G pump. After the old-school full-frame Zefal HPX*, which is still very popular with the cyclotouriste/randonneur crowd, I see a lot of people carrying the Topeak RM-G as their primary. Coming from a group doing self-supported rides between 200k and 1200k, that's a pretty good endorsement.

*I don't suggest the HPX because it is a direct attachment pump, and easy to snap a valve stem if you're not careful.
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At this point the God of flat tires will fear you and only throw flats at you when he's really having a crappy day.
Or if he's had a few too many to drink and smashes his empty beer bottles in the road.
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Originally Posted by deep_sky
You assumed I was male, and thus was not a Clyde. I have since been informed via PM that the weight cutoff for Athenas is 150 lbs, so I am technically an Athena, and while I might not weigh as much as you, I do have the same issues I have to worry about.

As far as snapping off valves is concerned, just about anyone can do that, really. It's not a matter of strength, it's a matter of technique. If you are snapping valves off, you are doing it wrong. I would also recommend a Topeak RoadMorph G as it is a very nice pump. Doesn't take much effort or exertion to get the tire to high psi (I used it 2 weeks ago on someone else's flat, went up to 120 no problem), lots of leverage via the foot and hand grip to stabilize the motion, and very easy to place the chuck on the valve. All around an excellent pump.
That is correct, I spend a lot of time on a golf forum 99% male. My apologies for the incorrect assumption. I'm certain Athena's have their own set of issues but of course the bike doesn't know if your 180 lbs is male or female so regarding tires its definately a different ball game for me and you. However, it did occur to me that there must be plenty of cyclists, male and female that weigh under 200 lbs but have bikes loaded up for touring that brings the weight up quite a bit and I'm sure they aren't blowing tires left and right. Also, I was kidding about my strength/valve stems. obviously a 5 year old could break one.

The good news is so far so good this week. Weather is freezing and crappy today and my body has kind of gotten into spring mode, not sure I'f I'm gonna tough out a big ride today especially with all the damn wind we keep having here in NYC. i'm not overly concerned about getting a new mini-pump. vast majority of my riding will be within manhattan so i'll never be too far from a bike shop or gas station with a compressor.
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It is always better to have a pump and extra tube to be self sufficient on the road instead of having to worry about finding a gas station.. I also carry a mini tool and tire boot. I lost count of how many rides over the years that a friend needed a tire boot after a blowout to finish a ride.. Of course I could of wandered around looking for something to put inside the tire but it was more efficient to carry a boot that weighs about 10 grams..
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so over the weekend I went out and got a Topeak digital smart gauge which I'm not in love with, seems like it's somewhat hard to get a reading with sometimes. I played around with it for about 15 minutes. what I noticed was that times when it felt by hand that there was plenty of air there was only 85psi so as long as the gauge is accurate, I expect it to be a big help. got 2 tubes in the seat bag, 2 patch kits, and my minipump. Hopefully I've had my last flat for awhile. The damn armadillos really feel slow though, I would think as a newbie I wouldn't notice such a difference but I really do. until I can afford a 2nd bike, another set of wheels with regular tires for training in central park is definately in order.

So how accurate are these digital pressure gauges?
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another set of wheels with regular tires for training in central park is definately in order.
Why do you need to go faster to train? You -do- need to work hard to train but that is independent from the bike. You can get the same workout from a $400 bike as a $4k bike. Since you are not racing, the speed / weight improvement should not be an issue.
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Those digital air gauges are a lot more accurate than the old kind..

I also think that Amadillos feel really slow. That is the price of good flat protection, though. I prefer Continental Ultra Gatorkins to Armadillos. They roll a little bit lighter, and corner much better at speed.

You can also have two different tires. Lots of people put something like a ultra gatorskin, armadillo, or bontrager hardcase (about the same as an armadillo) on the rear, and a lighter "race" tire in the front.

Here is another vote for a topeak roadmorph pump. The rubber hose between the pump and the valve stem keeps you from cutting the valve stem when pumping up the tire. Since one side also sits on the ground, it allows you to use your body weight to better fill up the tire.

Oh, and you will get good at changing tires. It is tough at first, but you will get the hang of it.



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Why do you need to go faster to train? You -do- need to work hard to train but that is independent from the bike. You can get the same workout from a $400 bike as a $4k bike. Since you are not racing, the speed / weight improvement should not be an issue.
i could have worded it better. For me i use the word training to mean "pleasure riding" The main purpose of my bike is to commute around manhattan to my clients. if I need to go with armadillos and super thick tubes to prevent flats so I can get around town without worry than that is what i do. I know the thick tubes weigh in around 280 grams while regular tubes are closer to 100grams not to mention the weight of armadillos vs regular tires we are easily talking about 2 lbs of added weight on the wheels plus the feel of the armadillos sucks. If I'm going to be doing 20 mile plus rides in relativel clean and debris free central park, I'd like to do them on better tires. Also, I hope to start doing some rides out of the city and certainly flats can happen anywhere but if I'm riding with decently fit people I need whatever benefit I can get since I weigh 250 lbs!
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i could have worded it better. For me i use the word training to mean "pleasure riding" The main purpose of my bike is to commute around manhattan to my clients. if I need to go with armadillos and super thick tubes to prevent flats so I can get around town without worry than that is what i do. I know the thick tubes weigh in around 280 grams while regular tubes are closer to 100grams not to mention the weight of armadillos vs regular tires we are easily talking about 2 lbs of added weight on the wheels plus the feel of the armadillos sucks. If I'm going to be doing 20 mile plus rides in relativel clean and debris free central park, I'd like to do them on better tires. Also, I hope to start doing some rides out of the city and certainly flats can happen anywhere but if I'm riding with decently fit people I need whatever benefit I can get since I weigh 250 lbs!
Yeah, a pound is gonna make all the difference.
If you want to ride with decently fit people, worry more about form and the engine than the bike.
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Why do you need to go faster to train? You -do- need to work hard to train but that is independent from the bike. You can get the same workout from a $400 bike as a $4k bike. Since you are not racing, the speed / weight improvement should not be an issue.
I trained all last year on a big FAT 25 Armadillo. I put 5,000 mile on the tire and did not flat even once! I did lots of climbing (5,000-7200 ft of climbing) and fast 40 mph descents in the mtns at 240 lbs ( I outweighted him by 60 lbs).

Funny thing, guy I trained with kept telling me my tires were too heavy and I needed lighter GP4000's to train with as they were much lighter and faster climbers. Funnier is that never did he once keep up and funnier funnier, I had to stop fo him to repair flat tires too!
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Originally Posted by chipcom
Yeah, a pound is gonna make all the difference.
If you want to ride with decently fit people, worry more about form and the engine than the bike.
I'm far from an expert but I'm quite confident that 2 lbs of weight on the wheels IS a significant difference.
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