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Old 05-07-10, 11:36 PM
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OT: I can't believe I was so stupid.....

..... as to keep food in my tent during previous camping trips and bike tours. Never again, after reading accounts of bear attacks at the state park I'm camping at this weekend.

https://cbs3.com/topstories/Black.Bea....2.311997.html

A month later, two more campers were attacked.

And two years before, two women and a guy named Brennan (!) were attacked.

I'm doomed. :-(
 
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they don't make those for nothing... i have the former and hang that fool on a tree a couple of meters away from camp...
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Tie your food up on a tree limb about 15' off the ground in bear country, and far enough away from the trunk that they can't use the tree itself, or, use the bear chest if the site provides one.

Don't cook OR eat in the tent, either.

Don't keep toothpast, or anything aromatic in the tent like cologne or good smelling deodorant, either. Bears will eat anything that smells good.

Also, when you are hiking/camping in Bear country, make noise so you don't come up on a bear unexpectedly.....that's how most bear attacks occur.....the bear gets startled. This is from my trip to Glacier, in March, by the way. They woke up early this year.

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Good advice, all. Here's what PA DCNR says:

Many Pennsylvania state parks are habitat for black bears. Although they appear cute and cuddly like a teddy bear, black bears are wild animals.
A black bear can scramble up a tree like a raccoon and sprint as fast as a race horse. Bears use their claws to tear apart rotting logs to find food, and those claws also work well to open garbage cans and coolers. The size and strength of a black bear is astonishing.
Black bears have poor eyesight and fair hearing, but an excellent sense of smell. Aromatic scents coming from your personal items can attract a curious and hungry bear from a great distance. Bears are attracted to the smell of toothpaste, deodorants, air fresheners, food and even the clothes worn while cooking.
Store all items inside a vehicle. At primitive, walk-in campsites, suspend food between two trees, ten feet in the air and three feet from either tree.
Black bears normally avoid people, but bears dependent on eating human food can become aggressive when people get between them and food.
If you come in contact with a black bear, try chasing it away by making loud noises like yelling, honking a car horn or banging a pot. Notify a park employee if you have difficulties with bears.
Never approach a bear and be especially wary of mother bears and cubs.

Attention All Campers: Because of an active bear population, overnight guests are required to store all food and any scented items such as toothpaste, deodorant, and dish soap in their vehicle while away from their site. This includes when leaving the site for even a short period of time, day or night. Park staff will enforce these rules and failure to comply may result in a citation.
 
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Originally Posted by The Historian
..... as to keep food in my tent during previous camping trips and bike tours. Never again, after reading accounts of bear attacks at the state park I'm camping at this weekend.
Keeping food in your tent is always a bad idea, even if you're not in bear country. I was backpacking with a buddy who broke this rule and woke up one morning to find that a pair of rats had chewed through the side of his tent and were happily working their way through his snacks...
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Originally Posted by sstorkel
Keeping food in your tent is always a bad idea, even if you're not in bear country. I was backpacking with a buddy who broke this rule and woke up one morning to find that a pair of rats had chewed through the side of his tent and were happily working their way through his snacks...
BF poster JAGraham warned me about raccoons being able to undo zippers and get into a tent, but I doubted that. Never again.
 
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https://www.yellowstone-bearman.com/Tim_Treadwell.html

"Unlike what is portrayed in the movies, the bear is nearly silent. Only low growls and periodic grunts are heard which only adds to the horror of the scene. Sounds of the bear dragging Tim off, and the fading sounds of his scream's indicate that Tim is being pulled and dragged into the brush and away from camp."
 
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Well, I just heard from Neil, and he's settled in for the night, on a windy, tent flapping kind of way. He's not been eaten by bears, yet.
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Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe
Well, I just heard from Neil, and he's settled in for the night, on a windy, tent flapping kind of way. He's not been eaten by bears, yet.
Tom, do you know which State Park he chose?
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Up near Lehigh Gorge.
Originally Posted by zoste
Tom, do you know which State Park he chose?
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OK - thanks for the update.
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Originally Posted by zoste
Tom, do you know which State Park he chose?
Hickory Run.
 
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Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe
Up near Lehigh Gorge.




I tried to choose as best I could a position behind a windbreak. Even there half the stakes were blown over by morning.
 
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Looks like the tent stayed up, though.
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Originally Posted by The Historian


I tried to choose as best I could a position behind a windbreak. Even there half the stakes were blown over by morning.
Tension up that rainfly! You should be able to bounce a quarter off your rainfly when the tent is rigged properly. Maybe this is the "morning after" picture, when you said the wind had taken out half your stakes?
I did a lot of section hiking on the AT, and one of the best things you can get for your tent is a full set of V-stakes. Those paperclips on steroids that most tents stock as "pegs" are just about useless. They bend easily and won't hold under tension or in a heavy wind. V-stakes are heavier, but their shape and slotted design give them far better holding power. Plus, you can use them like a deadman anchor by tying off through a center slot and burying them, if you absolutely have to.
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Originally Posted by sstorkel
Keeping food in your tent is always a bad idea, even if you're not in bear country. I was backpacking with a buddy who broke this rule and woke up one morning to find that a pair of rats had chewed through the side of his tent and were happily working their way through his snacks...
I've personally seen three close encounters with Skunks. The 1st time it was just after sunset and my parents were getting ready to pack the food up for the night in our screen tent that we put over top of the picnic table aka the "food tent." The skunk had quietly chewed its way though a corner and was starting to explore the food while we were all in the tent. We all sat very still and waited for our "friend" to leave. Very cute looking fellow, but with the high potential for it being rabbid and the extreamly unpleasant through of getting sprayed we didnt' exactly enjoy the close experience. Fast forward a decade and I was camping with my wife and some friends. The sun was setting so I was telling everyone to get their food packed away. No sooner did I say that and my wife felt something bump her legs. This time we were not inside the "food tent," but were instead seated around a fire. My wife looked down and saw a skunk walking around. Thankfully she remained calm and the "friend" moved along quickly. The 3rd time my wife was alone at the camp site and she had a similar experience. This time I found her ON the picnic table (this time no tent around the picnic table either). So at sun set the local wildlife can get pretty gusty at camp sites. I now move ALL food items BEFORE the sun sets. None of the areas I've camped in are know to have bear problems, but there are plenty of other animals that I'd rather not get too close with.

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Originally Posted by The Historian
https://www.yellowstone-bearman.com/Tim_Treadwell.html

"Unlike what is portrayed in the movies, the bear is nearly silent. Only low growls and periodic grunts are heard which only adds to the horror of the scene. Sounds of the bear dragging Tim off, and the fading sounds of his scream's indicate that Tim is being pulled and dragged into the brush and away from camp."
Just went to that website: spooky-eerie in a "Into the Wild" kind of way.
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Depending on where you are, there are different tactics for dealing with bears and your food. Even in the worst black bear country back east, you can get away with hang bags. As stated previously, 15' up and out is the recommendation. This way they can't reach it from the ground or climb up and reach it. Many sites provide bear hooks or wires and a lift pole. Out west, the grizzly is getting smarter and has figured out how to defeat many hanging bag tie-offs, so you have to use a bear-proof cannister. They're heavy and bulky to carry, but it beats getting your stuff tore up. The big ones can double as a mini camp-bench, if that counts for anything.

Hang your food, do your cooking, eating and washing 200 yds from your sleep site whenever possible. If you stored food in your pack, hang your pack outside your tent and leave the zippers open. Mice will go rummaging through it (they shimmy down the hang cord), and they'll chew up your pack if you leave it zipped shut.
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And always carry your bear spray on you if you are in wildlife problem areas. Remember my wolf experience on the UP of Michigan, for one example, where at the least, they were considering me as potential dinner.

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Here's what PA DCNR says
This is the absolute best idea. Talk to the local ranger, they will know what works for a particular area. What works in PA will not work in Yosemite. As mentioned, the typical problems come from skunks, ravens, chipmunks, and rats. I've personally seen a black bear tear a locked steel Coleman cooler in half to get at the fish stored inside (Pine Grove Furnace, PA).
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The only thing I would add is do not shower, brush your teeth or use deodorant right before bed. Do all of these thing a few hours before you call it a night. While you might not have any "smellable's" in your tent, you would be wearing some. That is what they always told us out at Philmont, which is definitely in bear country.

Aside from that, have a good trip. Those are some great pictures; I wish Mrs. ATCFoody and I were able to join you.

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The only thing I would add is do not shower, brush your teeth or use deodorant right before bed. Do all of these thing a few hours before you call it a night. While you might not have any "smellable's" in your tent, you would be wearing some. That is what they always told us out at Philmont, which is definitely in bear country.

Aside from that, have a good trip. Those are some great pictures; I wish Mrs. ATCFoody and I were able to join you.

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I still remember waking up in my tent at scout camp--27 +- years ago--and feeling something furry on my arm. I froze and called out to my brother who was sharing the tent with me to get his flashlight and tell me if it was a racoon or a skunk. Turns out it was a racoon, still possibly rabbid, but not stinky. I did NOT have food in my tent, but some of the younger scouts did have snacks stashed away and that drew the furry critters to explore our campsite.
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I still remember waking up in my tent at scout camp--27 +- years ago--and feeling something furry on my arm. I froze and called out to my brother who was sharing the tent with me to get his flashlight and tell me if it was a racoon or a skunk. Turns out it was a racoon, still possibly rabbid, but not stinky. I did NOT have food in my tent, but some of the younger scouts did have snacks stashed away and that drew the furry critters to explore our campsite.
The two incidents I'd mentioned upthread in 2007 both were brought about by having food out - one a container of Kool-aid left on a bench, another by having candy in the tent. The night I camped surrounding people were using grills to cook food, and I doubt they cleaned them after use.
 
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Just went to that website: spooky-eerie in a "Into the Wild" kind of way.
Yes, and both Treadwell and McCandless were stupid.
 
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