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Really happy - really ticked - hate to be both at the same time
Just finished longest ride ever - 32 hilly miles. Rode to a neighboring town and back. 5 miles out coming back - my 2nd spoke break on my rear wheel. I babied it the whole way back - had to disconnect rear brakes as the wobble was so bad.
I'm ticked because last time I broke a spoke it took my LBS a week to replace it. My LBS is 'tiny' - there are none others for hours and hours and they simply don't stock anything. Even ordering from them is slow. I ordered a new Marin June 28th - still isn't here.
Wish I had some more choices in where to get my stuff fixed. I can adjust my brakes, change pads, and adjust my derailler - but wheels and bottom brackets, etc are mysteries to me. I tried to get people in the repair forum to tell me what size spokes I need once, and I really couldn't understand much except for the fact that there is no formula for spokes. I was hoping if you had a 700 x 35 wheel - then you needed 'x' spoke - evidently nowhere near that easy.
Sigh. I've been making such good progress. Thursday was almost 20 miles, Friday was 15, Today was 30. . .grrr. . .
I'm ticked because last time I broke a spoke it took my LBS a week to replace it. My LBS is 'tiny' - there are none others for hours and hours and they simply don't stock anything. Even ordering from them is slow. I ordered a new Marin June 28th - still isn't here.
Wish I had some more choices in where to get my stuff fixed. I can adjust my brakes, change pads, and adjust my derailler - but wheels and bottom brackets, etc are mysteries to me. I tried to get people in the repair forum to tell me what size spokes I need once, and I really couldn't understand much except for the fact that there is no formula for spokes. I was hoping if you had a 700 x 35 wheel - then you needed 'x' spoke - evidently nowhere near that easy.
Sigh. I've been making such good progress. Thursday was almost 20 miles, Friday was 15, Today was 30. . .grrr. . .
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It is easy but yu ned to know exactly what you are dealingwith to ask the right question.
For example, my wheel is a
Velcoity Deep V rim
Ultgra 9 speed hub
I want 14 g spokes
and built in a 3 cross pattern.
-----------------------------------------
I fyou say I have a 700 X 35 wheel,that is not gaiving any info that another person needs to answer your question.
Youo need th hub model...eg, Shimano Deore...they need this for hub dimensions, without it no answer
You need the spoke pattern, 3 X is pretty common ans such do you right. If you want a differnt pattern, 2 X for example, that would change the length of the spokes.
Also spoke count, 32 hole hub. Again, altaring count will change the lengthof the spokes as well.
You need to provdie the model of rim also as the dia will vary on each model. A deep V is 30 mm tall and an OP maybe 24 mm (guessing) so the spoke length will vary between the two.
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TO simply say 700 35 is a very general claim. And the 35 is the size of the tire andhas nothgint o do with spoke length, or really, even the wheel. That is jsu tthe width of the rubber tire itself.
You nee to give all the info if yo expect answers.
Provide the info in the mechanics forum and somebody will be happy to answer. Just don't expect them to go digging for info if you don't provide it. I;'ve seen this way to omany times in the forum.
Someone asks, "what bike should I ride?" Means nothing without giving the info or habits of the rider etc.
Many shops, riders have data for different rim hub combos bu tthey can't guess whcih parts you have if you don't provide the correct info.
I'm not sure if this is the case with you but from your post above "700X 35" isn't the necesary info to produce spoke lengths.
BTW, there is a formula for spokes bu t you need to provide the correct info.
I have seen charts on the web that provide the hub model #, the rim then give you the length (spoke length data sheets, I don't remember the exact name). Plus ther are spoke length caluclators that tell you the length. You can give the corrct info in the mechanics forum and some will be happy to help you out, but again, you need the info, not a general idea of the tire.
For example, my wheel is a
Velcoity Deep V rim
Ultgra 9 speed hub
I want 14 g spokes
and built in a 3 cross pattern.
-----------------------------------------
I fyou say I have a 700 X 35 wheel,that is not gaiving any info that another person needs to answer your question.
Youo need th hub model...eg, Shimano Deore...they need this for hub dimensions, without it no answer
You need the spoke pattern, 3 X is pretty common ans such do you right. If you want a differnt pattern, 2 X for example, that would change the length of the spokes.
Also spoke count, 32 hole hub. Again, altaring count will change the lengthof the spokes as well.
You need to provdie the model of rim also as the dia will vary on each model. A deep V is 30 mm tall and an OP maybe 24 mm (guessing) so the spoke length will vary between the two.
----
TO simply say 700 35 is a very general claim. And the 35 is the size of the tire andhas nothgint o do with spoke length, or really, even the wheel. That is jsu tthe width of the rubber tire itself.
You nee to give all the info if yo expect answers.
Provide the info in the mechanics forum and somebody will be happy to answer. Just don't expect them to go digging for info if you don't provide it. I;'ve seen this way to omany times in the forum.
Someone asks, "what bike should I ride?" Means nothing without giving the info or habits of the rider etc.
Many shops, riders have data for different rim hub combos bu tthey can't guess whcih parts you have if you don't provide the correct info.
I'm not sure if this is the case with you but from your post above "700X 35" isn't the necesary info to produce spoke lengths.
BTW, there is a formula for spokes bu t you need to provide the correct info.
I have seen charts on the web that provide the hub model #, the rim then give you the length (spoke length data sheets, I don't remember the exact name). Plus ther are spoke length caluclators that tell you the length. You can give the corrct info in the mechanics forum and some will be happy to help you out, but again, you need the info, not a general idea of the tire.
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My problem is all I know is what is on this page:
https://www.fujibikes.com/LifeStyle/P...osstown40.aspx
The owner's manual does not have the info either. . .
From this page - you can't tell much. I don't know much. It is a freewheel. The rest is on that page. That is all I know. There are no markings on the rim that says ' I'm made by so and so ' or whatever unfortuantly. It is just the wheel that came with my bike.
https://www.fujibikes.com/LifeStyle/P...osstown40.aspx
The owner's manual does not have the info either. . .
From this page - you can't tell much. I don't know much. It is a freewheel. The rest is on that page. That is all I know. There are no markings on the rim that says ' I'm made by so and so ' or whatever unfortuantly. It is just the wheel that came with my bike.
It is easy but yu ned to know exactly what you are dealingwith to ask the right question.
For example, my wheel is a
Velcoity Deep V rim
Ultgra 9 speed hub
I want 14 g spokes
and built in a 3 cross pattern.
-----------------------------------------
I fyou say I have a 700 X 35 wheel,that is not gaiving any info that another person needs to answer your question.
Youo need th hub model...eg, Shimano Deore...they need this for hub dimensions, without it no answer
You need the spoke pattern, 3 X is pretty common ans such do you right. If you want a differnt pattern, 2 X for example, that would change the length of the spokes.
Also spoke count, 32 hole hub. Again, altaring count will change the lengthof the spokes as well.
You need to provdie the model of rim also as the dia will vary on each model. A deep V is 30 mm tall and an OP maybe 24 mm (guessing) so the spoke length will vary between the two.
----
TO simply say 700 35 is a very general claim. And the 35 is the size of the tire andhas nothgint o do with spoke length, or really, even the wheel. That is jsu tthe width of the rubber tire itself.
You nee to give all the info if yo expect answers.
Provide the info in the mechanics forum and somebody will be happy to answer. Just don't expect them to go digging for info if you don't provide it. I;'ve seen this way to omany times in the forum.
Someone asks, "what bike should I ride?" Means nothing without giving the info or habits of the rider etc.
Many shops, riders have data for different rim hub combos bu tthey can't guess whcih parts you have if you don't provide the correct info.
I'm not sure if this is the case with you but from your post above "700X 35" isn't the necesary info to produce spoke lengths.
BTW, there is a formula for spokes bu t you need to provide the correct info.
I have seen charts on the web that provide the hub model #, the rim then give you the length (spoke length data sheets, I don't remember the exact name). Plus ther are spoke length caluclators that tell you the length. You can give the corrct info in the mechanics forum and some will be happy to help you out, but again, you need the info, not a general idea of the tire.
For example, my wheel is a
Velcoity Deep V rim
Ultgra 9 speed hub
I want 14 g spokes
and built in a 3 cross pattern.
-----------------------------------------
I fyou say I have a 700 X 35 wheel,that is not gaiving any info that another person needs to answer your question.
Youo need th hub model...eg, Shimano Deore...they need this for hub dimensions, without it no answer
You need the spoke pattern, 3 X is pretty common ans such do you right. If you want a differnt pattern, 2 X for example, that would change the length of the spokes.
Also spoke count, 32 hole hub. Again, altaring count will change the lengthof the spokes as well.
You need to provdie the model of rim also as the dia will vary on each model. A deep V is 30 mm tall and an OP maybe 24 mm (guessing) so the spoke length will vary between the two.
----
TO simply say 700 35 is a very general claim. And the 35 is the size of the tire andhas nothgint o do with spoke length, or really, even the wheel. That is jsu tthe width of the rubber tire itself.
You nee to give all the info if yo expect answers.
Provide the info in the mechanics forum and somebody will be happy to answer. Just don't expect them to go digging for info if you don't provide it. I;'ve seen this way to omany times in the forum.
Someone asks, "what bike should I ride?" Means nothing without giving the info or habits of the rider etc.
Many shops, riders have data for different rim hub combos bu tthey can't guess whcih parts you have if you don't provide the correct info.
I'm not sure if this is the case with you but from your post above "700X 35" isn't the necesary info to produce spoke lengths.
BTW, there is a formula for spokes bu t you need to provide the correct info.
I have seen charts on the web that provide the hub model #, the rim then give you the length (spoke length data sheets, I don't remember the exact name). Plus ther are spoke length caluclators that tell you the length. You can give the corrct info in the mechanics forum and some will be happy to help you out, but again, you need the info, not a general idea of the tire.
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Just finished longest ride ever - 32 hilly miles. Rode to a neighboring town and back. 5 miles out coming back - my 2nd spoke break on my rear wheel. I babied it the whole way back - had to disconnect rear brakes as the wobble was so bad.
I'm ticked because last time I broke a spoke it took my LBS a week to replace it. My LBS is 'tiny' - there are none others for hours and hours and they simply don't stock anything. Even ordering from them is slow. I ordered a new Marin June 28th - still isn't here.
Wish I had some more choices in where to get my stuff fixed. I can adjust my brakes, change pads, and adjust my derailler - but wheels and bottom brackets, etc are mysteries to me. I tried to get people in the repair forum to tell me what size spokes I need once, and I really couldn't understand much except for the fact that there is no formula for spokes. I was hoping if you had a 700 x 35 wheel - then you needed 'x' spoke - evidently nowhere near that easy.
Sigh. I've been making such good progress. Thursday was almost 20 miles, Friday was 15, Today was 30. . .grrr. . .
I'm ticked because last time I broke a spoke it took my LBS a week to replace it. My LBS is 'tiny' - there are none others for hours and hours and they simply don't stock anything. Even ordering from them is slow. I ordered a new Marin June 28th - still isn't here.
Wish I had some more choices in where to get my stuff fixed. I can adjust my brakes, change pads, and adjust my derailler - but wheels and bottom brackets, etc are mysteries to me. I tried to get people in the repair forum to tell me what size spokes I need once, and I really couldn't understand much except for the fact that there is no formula for spokes. I was hoping if you had a 700 x 35 wheel - then you needed 'x' spoke - evidently nowhere near that easy.
Sigh. I've been making such good progress. Thursday was almost 20 miles, Friday was 15, Today was 30. . .grrr. . .
There are three causes for broken spokes, too low wheel tension, mechanical damage to the spoke and the wrong size spoke in the first place. If this is the second spoke to pop, then all of the spokes should be replaced because you will be replacing spokes on a semi-regular basis until you have replaced them all.... Unless the local guy is really good or the wheel is high end it might be better economically to get another wheel from a good wheel builder.
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That is the problem, there is noone here. If you lived in the middle of nowhere - what would you do?
Spokes are actually fairly easy, you need the proper size spoke wrench, and the proper length spoke, front spokes and rear non-drive side spokes are easy, you note the position of the head on the broken spoke where it is on hub and where it is on the rim, remove the tire, and tube, put on the new spoke, tighten it until plucking it and the one next to it on the same side sounds roughly the same. This should make it close enough to true that the wheel will work. Put the tire and tube back on and continue on your ride. Drive side spokes are not typically field replaceable because you need to remove the cassette/freewheel to get at it, single speeds, internal gear hubs and fixies may be field replaceable on the drive side. If you can't field replace the spoke then you can compensate with the two spokes on either side, IIRC you loosen them slightly to true the wheel.
There are three causes for broken spokes, too low wheel tension, mechanical damage to the spoke and the wrong size spoke in the first place. If this is the second spoke to pop, then all of the spokes should be replaced because you will be replacing spokes on a semi-regular basis until you have replaced them all.... Unless the local guy is really good or the wheel is high end it might be better economically to get another wheel from a good wheel builder.
There are three causes for broken spokes, too low wheel tension, mechanical damage to the spoke and the wrong size spoke in the first place. If this is the second spoke to pop, then all of the spokes should be replaced because you will be replacing spokes on a semi-regular basis until you have replaced them all.... Unless the local guy is really good or the wheel is high end it might be better economically to get another wheel from a good wheel builder.
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