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Old 12-01-10, 01:44 AM
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Indoor Bicycle Trainer .... ?

I am looking at buying an indoor trainer and I wonder if you folks had any experience with the following.
CycleOps Fluid
https://www.cycleops.com/products/tra...&category_id=3
I have never owned a bike trainer and I'm reasoning that for my purposes this is a better option than a stationary bike or spinner.
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I bought a Kurt Kinetics Road Machine but the research was 50-50 between it and the cycleops. Either one is a good choice.
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I have the older version cycleops fluid it works just fine.
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Look on Craigslist for used trainers. You can usually pick them up for about $100. That's what we did, and the one we got was barely used. I know why - I've used it once so far and holy boring.
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Originally Posted by Spudd
Look on Craigslist for used trainers. You can usually pick them up for about $100. That's what we did, and the one we got was barely used. I know why - I've used it once so far and holy boring.
This +1
I got mine for $50 and I use mine an hour a day 5 days a week if I cannot get outside. Boredom is solved by having something good to watch while riding.
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I bought a cheap exercise bike and put it in my living room, now when I sit to watch tv, the bike is there calling to me. I don't watch much tv, but if I'm going to rot my brain I might as well exercise while doing so. If I were to have put this in the basement, it would just gather dust and eventually get stuff piled on top of it.
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do trainners really tear up your tires that bad.
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Originally Posted by jasonball
do trainners really tear up your tires that bad.
Depends on the tire... but, in general, tires do seem to wear faster on the trainer than they would on the road. FWIW, I heard enough stories about leaking CycleOps trainers that I went with the Kurt Kinetic Road Machine. Works well, but it is super-boring.
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I have a set of rollers, and like them ok. They're a little bit more like riding, because, well, you're balancing the bike, your point of contact is the bottom of the tire, etc. But it's a small difference. Either way, you're riding indoors. ( Or on the back patio, in my case. )

The boredom is intense. I don't have a TV, so I can't comment on that. I watch the ships go by, or fire dancers at the park, but ... I don't play with inertia and gravity, and I can push myself pretty hard on the rollers, but it's not the same as climbing a hill where I either make it or don't.
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Hate is not a big enough word, for how much I dislike riding alone on a trainer. Spin classes are worth the monthly gym membership fee for me. Well worth it.
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When I was first cycling back in the mid-80's I learned that riding either a trainer or rollers actually created a time vortex.

That's the only explanation I was able to come up with that reasonably explained why the Bob Newhart show seemed to last for 3 hours rather than the 30 minutes I expected while on the trainer/rollers.
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Originally Posted by chasmm
When I was first cycling back in the mid-80's I learned that riding either a trainer or rollers actually created a time vortex.

That's the only explanation I was able to come up with that reasonably explained why the Bob Newhart show seemed to last for 3 hours rather than the 30 minutes I expected while on the trainer/rollers.
You know I read this alot concerning trainers of any type but is there any difference in "entertainment" between a cycle trainer or any other piece of cardio equipment? Treadmill huh Id rather jog outside just as a trainer Id rather ride outside. For me once the first say 20 minutes are done I am ok to go for an hour.
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I use some cycling-specific videos at times. A few are technique-related, some are workouts, others are scenic stuff.
I also use some A&E, Discovery Channel and History Channel stuff so that I'm not just "zoning out"/time-warping. If I am watching live TV, I can often use the commercials as auto-timers for intervals and use the programs as recovery times.

The other thing about using an indoor trainer is that saddle time is saddle time as far as breaking in a new Brooks or other leather saddle.
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I know myself and an indoor trainer wold join the treadmill in the closet. I just cant do indoor riding - I have tried but it seems so bland. I would watch reruns of "The Office" and the commercial breaks went on FOREVER!

Instead, I just got back from a quick 30-min/7mile ride that I ride every other work night. Though cold, the following made it interesting:

Day by day,watching the neighborhood slowly come alive with xMas lights
Giving a "knowing nod" to other outdoor runners/cyclists out in the cold
Time to beat the stress of work out of my head
The lady, all in black, walking a black lab and "surprising me" by suddenly appearing.
The luxury of the fireplace when I got back home - frozen but glad I went...

You never know what happens out on the real road - keeps it interesting...
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest
I have a set of rollers, and like them ok. They're a little bit more like riding, because, well, you're balancing the bike, your point of contact is the bottom of the tire, etc. But it's a small difference. Either way, you're riding indoors. ( Or on the back patio, in my case. )

The boredom is intense. I don't have a TV, so I can't comment on that. I watch the ships go by, or fire dancers at the park, but ... I don't play with inertia and gravity, and I can push myself pretty hard on the rollers, but it's not the same as climbing a hill where I either make it or don't.
Podcasts baby, podcasts! Load up an ipod and listen away. I do fat2fit ones, financial sense newshour, two beers with steve, portuguese language lessons, you name it. Makes the time fly by!
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Getting back to the OP, I decided to go with a non-fluid resistance trainer because I was afraid of leaks and chose a 1-up. I've been very happy with my 1-up.

As to biding time while using it . . . I got a handlebar mounted book caddy from Performance and I use it for my nook e-book reader.

The most important thing though to make your time on the trainer bearable - position a small fan in front of yourself to keep yourself cool.
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Thanks for the replies folks.

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Getting back to the OP, I decided to go with a non-fluid resistance trainer because I was afraid of leaks and chose a 1-up. I've been very happy with my 1-up.

As to biding time while using it . . . I got a handlebar mounted book caddy from Performance and I use it for my nook e-book reader.

The most important thing though to make your time on the trainer bearable - position a small fan in front of yourself to keep yourself cool.
Thanks for the tips, I haven't come across that make as of yet in my search around where I live.

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Look on Craigslist for used trainers. You can usually pick them up for about $100. That's what we did, and the one we got was barely used. I know why - I've used it once so far and holy boring.
I have looked through craiglist and kijiji etc. in the past, but not lately so I should do that. Thank you for reminding me.

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Hate is not a big enough word, for how much I dislike riding alone on a trainer. Spin classes are worth the monthly gym membership fee for me. Well worth it.
Spin classes are out unless I want to go the personal trainer route and then I suppose it wouldn't be a spin class any more. Maybe in the future ?
Unfortunately I need to follow a specific personalized program/routine as a result of my bad heart.

I have had lots of hours of stationary bike riding in a hospital gym already and yes, some days it is a mental challenge. Nonetheless it needs to be done at certain heart rates on a regular basis or I may as well pack it all in. My options are few, if I want to be around to dance at my daughters wedding.
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You could always buy one of the indoor recumbants then you will have built in programming and heart rate monitor. I was going to go that route then I started cycling more and found a trainer at a reasonable price. The nice thing about the indoor recumbants are that they are very comfortable. They have starting prices that are not too expensive either.
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Originally Posted by jasonball
do trainners really tear up your tires that bad.
For the most part, yes. Especially if your tire has any sort of tread on it. It will also square them off. Your best bet is to purchase a trainer specific tire, or a set of cheap slicks. If you buy a trainer tire, make sure you never ride outside with it.
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Originally Posted by jasonball
do trainners really tear up your tires that bad.
They can, the problem is that the tire on the shaft creates friction, on the road, the road passing by dissipates the heat, on the trainer the shaft heats up, which is not good for the tire.... What I do is, plan on a replacement tire in the spring, the old front tire goes on the back, the new tire on the front and the old rear to the trash.... There are a couple of things to do to make the tire last longer.

First is to limit trainer time to 30 minutes or less, to keep the tire from heating up to much. Touch the shaft the tire runs on at the end, if it's too hot to touch, then it's too hot for your tire as well, reduce the time a little. The idea of a trainer is to keep the legs fresh, when you can't get out and ride, you don't need to set speed records or train for hours and hours, for this. A good workout for 30 minutes is sufficient. You need to keep the rear tire properly inflated, if the front tire is on a stand or support (old computer books are good for this), turn it a little each day so your not putting pressure on the same spot, keep it pumped up as well, although it's not as critical as the rear. If you add 10PSI to the rear every day, then add to the front every couple of days. At the same time, don't use the same gear all the time, what I do is this:

Resistance is set at lowest setting.

0:00 - 2:30 2x2 75-80 RPM
2:30 - 5:00 2x3 80-85 RPM
5:00 - 7:30 2x4 80-85 RPM
7:30 - 10:00 2x5 80-85 RPM
1 minute break
10:00 - 12:00 2x6 80-85 RPM
12:00 - 13:00 2x6 95-100 RPM sprint
13:00 - 15:00 2x6 80-85 RPM
15:00 - 16:00 2x6 95-100 RPM sprint
16:00 - 18:00 2x6 80-85 RPM
18:00 - 19:00 2x6 95-100 RPM sprint
19:00 - 20:00 2x6 80-85 RPM
1 minute break
20:00 - 22:30 2x5 80-85 RPM
22:30 - 25:00 2x4 80-85 RPM
25:00 - 27:30 2x3 80-85 RPM
27:30 - 30:00 2x2 75-80 RPM

I do this Monday to Saturday, Sunday is as always an off day. The 1 minute breaks are to mop off, drink some water, etc.

I know there are guys who do century trainer sessions, if it gets boring, it means it's too long, or there is not enough variance in the session, so throw some sprints in, or crank the resistance up and go into a low gear and do some "hill climbing". For training a bike computer with cadence is almost a necessity.
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Originally Posted by bautieri
For the most part, yes. Especially if your tire has any sort of tread on it. It will also square them off. Your best bet is to purchase a trainer specific tire, or a set of cheap slicks. If you buy a trainer tire, make sure you never ride outside with it.
Can you recomend one?
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Originally Posted by jethro56
Can you recomend one?
Sure, for a trainer tire look for something like this: https://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product..._200276_200523 Your LBS should also be able to order you in one if you prefer not to buy online.

Cheap tire: https://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product...2_10000_200523
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Why not just buy the cheapest department store tire available. I would bet that walmart would have somthing in the $15 range. Slap it on the rear for the winter. I am just letting the trainer destroy the tire I rode with this past summer I will replace it with new shoes in the spring.
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Originally Posted by gunner65
Why not just buy the cheapest department store tire available. I would bet that walmart would have somthing in the $15 range. Slap it on the rear for the winter. I am just letting the trainer destroy the tire I rode with this past summer I will replace it with new shoes in the spring.
Well, two reasons. First one (and local markets may vary) my local wal-mart does not carry 700cm tires. If you're running a 26'' tire then this is a non-issue. Second, every tire I've ever seen at wal-mart has tread on it. If you are using a tire with tread (on top of it wearing even faster) is that your trainer will make a ton of noise and vibration. If you live in an apartment...your neighbors will love you. Ask me how I know . Or if you plan on working out late at night or real early in the am, you may end up waking your kids or significant other up. They aren't bad at all in the basement!
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In some ways I prefer being in the basement on the trainer to outside. Certainly in the depths of winter.

I highly recommend the sufferfest video series to perk things up. And a block to get your front tire off the ground.
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