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Old 01-20-11, 04:54 PM
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It's time for the 2011 Saddle Thread...

Considering that the 2010 saddle threads are now long gone, it's time for the 2011 saddle thread. This one is different though...

The saddle on my MTB is the most comfortable, just switched it to the road bike, where the saddle was a pain in the Hoping this one isn't..... Even if it's not, it's starting to look pretty sad. It's a Velo VL-3048 if that's any consolation.

The saddle is from 2004, looking online, they don't make that one anymore, so the question is, when they stop making a saddle, what is the easiest way to find an equivalent?
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I don't know what the best way to find an equivalent is. I guess what I'd probably do is start a thread with a specific question, and rely on the collective wisdom of bike forums, or go to the local bike shop, tell them which one you liked, and see if they can recommend something similar. I know my LBS has a demo saddle program, and I'd expect others do, too.

It's ironic, since you brought this up, but I'm planning to trade seat posts with my girlfriend this evening. She wants to point her saddle's nose up a little bit, but can't; I don't need to, but can. Then I'm going to ditch the gel saddle on my CX bike and replace it with a decent road saddle. I didn't believe people who said gel is bad in saddles ... but it is.
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Is this the same model ?

Manufacturer: Velo


Description:
# Housing: Flexible D1 Plush
# Coverage: synt.skóra
# Frame: Hi-Ten 1020
# Dimensions: 260mm x 165mm
# Weight: 572g

Saddle VELO VL-3048 Elastomer Suspension from the group, has a body with damping system combined with D1 Plush rack using elastomers. To improve safety on the back of the saddle has a 3M reflective material.
Recommended for comfort bikes.

If it is, then should folks look at the details someone will hopefully point you to a reasonably close match.

If not, well ..... my intentions were good
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I will be looking for a new saddle for my road bike, since I had to put back on the stock. I use a gel saddle on my commuter and so when I got my road bike just put the same brand saddle on it. So now I get saddle sores from my shorts, pad, pinching stuff between it and the gel saddle. I figure this might take a while since I am picky.
I love the gel saddle on my commuter since I have done up to a 50 mile ride, before work, with out having to have shorts on. I also do not get the same sores without the shorts.

Not trying to start a argument, but is there a different brand of leather saddle out there, besides brooks? I just like the idea, just not the popular name.

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Some Terry saddles are leather. I have their "liberator" and like it on long rides.
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Selle San Marco has some leather models as well. (Regal, Rolls etc.)
Although I think that the Brooks are thicker tensioned leather, whereas the Selle San Marco are leather covered - over a nylon molded shell.
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That does seem to be the difference in the saddles, I am reading about them now.
I like the Fly from terry so far
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Originally Posted by timmythology View Post
I will be looking for a new saddle for my road bike, since I had to put back on the stock. I use a gel saddle on my commuter and so when I got my road bike just put the same brand saddle on it. So now I get saddle sores from my shorts, pad, pinching stuff between it and the gel saddle. I figure this might take a while since I am picky.
I love the gel saddle on my commuter since I have done up to a 50 mile ride, before work, with out having to have shorts on. I also do not get the same sores without the shorts.

Not trying to start a argument, but is there a different brand of leather saddle out there, besides brooks? I just like the idea, just not the popular name.

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When there are multiple bikes in the house, the place to start is to swap saddles around to see if one saddle fits all, or they each need something else. The saddle that was on the road bike wasn't a bad saddle, but it and my anatomy were in disagreement, it was a saddle that we experimented with on the wife's bike, she didn't like it either. The saddle that came on the road bike, created a sore point on my after a very short distance, so I swapped it for another we had, that came with the wife's bike. Then the experimental, and now the one from the MTB. If it works, then I can use a ruler to copy it's dimensions, and have my starting point. The investment is minimal, the 5 minutes it takes to switch them around. If it works well, then I have my saddle, if it doesn't I'll put it back on the mountain bike and move on.

There are 2 types of leather saddles, there is the hammock style which has a support at the front and the back, typified by the Brooks, and there is the shell type, which is a plastic shell covered in leather. The hammock style needs a fairly thick piece of leather, but since it's skin, air can pass through it. The leather on shell type, use much thinner leather and can't breathe due to the plastic, UNLESS that plastic has holes to allow air flow. For me, brand names are not important, other then as a descriptive, the problem with a Brooks saddle is that they are over a $100 investment, and that's a lot of money to experiment with. Yeah I can get one from the UK for $84, now add shipping, customs, brokerage and it's still over $100, if you buy the proofhide and little wrench it gets even more expensive.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
I didn't believe people who said gel is bad in saddles ... but it is.
Too much gel is bad. A little bit is OK.
I switched my singlespeed from a B-17 to a Selle Italia Diva Gel Flow and my booty's rarely felt better. (Only once before, when I purchased my Assos FI.Mille bibs.)
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B17's on my MTB and Cross bike.. Selle San Marco Rolls on all my road bikes.. There is a reason why these saddles are still used quite a bit, the rolls have been around since the 80's.. The extra width at 150mm works well for clydes over many of the narrower saddles.. I know that specialized has 155mm saddles but too many of my less than 200lb friends have broken them..
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We really like our Selle An-atomica saddles on our tandem, but this is not the saddle for someone with a 16 lb. single - weighs quite a bit. Selle An-atomica is still in business and I recently had a saddle I bought on eBay re-covered. A century for us is probably 7 hours in the saddle so no weight savings can compensate for the loss in "speed" that occurs when your a$$ hurts.
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Saddles have always been a difficult thing for me to find comfort with. Out of 8 saddles now the fizik arione has been the answer for now. Almost 2 years of cycling and only the last 3 months of it have been without saddle sores and pain. Im surprised I continued with the sport to be honest.

As far as finding one that is close to equal, I would say its a matter of finding something with similar shape.
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Originally Posted by timmythology View Post
Not trying to start a argument, but is there a different brand of leather saddle out there, besides brooks? I just like the idea, just not the popular name.
Velo-Orange makes leather saddles. They're comparable to Brooks in the literal sense of the word: they're different enough that you can make a comparison and decide which you like better. I think the leather is allegedly slightly lower quality, but that may just come from Brooks snobs or something.

Persons make leather saddles that they like to compare to Brooks; the leather quality here is almost assuredly lower quality, but they are considerably less expensive.
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Originally Posted by Wogsterca View Post
Yeah I can get one from the UK for $84, now add shipping, customs, brokerage and it's still over $100, if you buy the proofhide and little wrench it gets even more expensive.
I bought a Brooks last week; Mine came with a wrench; I think that might be standard now.
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Originally Posted by RichardGlover View Post
I bought a Brooks last week; Mine came with a wrench; I think that might be standard now.
resist the temptation to use that wrench. Have been using my b17 champion specials for a couple years now with no adjustments needed..
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I got a WTB Pure V that I loved for a while. Bought a new bike and put a Velo Orange Model 3 that is absolutely fantastic. I've tried a Brooks B17 and a few others and the main issue I had was they were so narrow for me as to be very painful after about 5 miles. Both the WTB and VO 3 are pretty comparable in terms of how they fit, but I find the leather much more accommodating.
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Ok now I just need to search for the various seats. I still like the fly saddle with the buzz off on the back.

At this time I just can't buy the brooks, it's just to popular here in pdx, I know several homeless people who have them even. And no they did not steal them. The saddle that came on my bike is very small, and does not have a cut out. The saddle I took off just has too much gel for comfort on longer rides.

Wog, I understand what your talking about now, I just did not know this in 09 when I got the bike. The more we do, the more we know.

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PS here is the saddle I had, and took off.
http://www.rei.com/product/736827?pr...:referralID=NA
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I have the Selle SMP TRK...I have only had a couple short rides and so far so good. It is kind of shaped weird...reminds me of the concorde with the bent nose http://www.roadbikereview.com/cat/co...2_2509crx.aspx
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Originally Posted by Wogsterca View Post

the problem with a Brooks saddle is that they are over a $100 investment, and that's a lot of money to experiment with. Yeah I can get one from the UK for $84, now add shipping, customs, brokerage and it's still over $100
A Brooks will last pretty much forever and your behind will thank you...after a short break in.
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Originally Posted by timmythology View Post
Ok now I just need to search for the various seats. I still like the fly saddle with the buzz off on the back.

At this time I just can't buy the brooks, it's just to popular here in pdx, I know several homeless people who have them even. And no they did not steal them. The saddle that came on my bike is very small, and does not have a cut out. The saddle I took off just has too much gel for comfort on longer rides.

Wog, I understand what your talking about now, I just did not know this in 09 when I got the bike. The more we do, the more we know.

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PS here is the saddle I had, and took off.
http://www.rei.com/product/736827?pr...:referralID=NA
I sometimes wonder if we need Sir Moderator to create a saddle trading thread, so when you take off a saddle that is a pain in the glutęus maximus, you can offer that saddle in trade for another one, someone else has..... Then again how do you describe the one saddle I have, the best description for it, requires the use of a couple of words not used in polite conversation
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I just bought a Selle SMP Pro but haven't mounted it yet. I'm planning to change over to a Thomson seatpost when I mount the saddle, and I haven't gotten the seatpost yet. I test rode the SMP Pro for about 3 weeks last summer, including two days in a row of 75 miles each, and I loved it. I finally bit the bullet and bought it.
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Originally Posted by cohophysh View Post
I have the Selle SMP TRK...I have only had a couple short rides and so far so good. It is kind of shaped weird...reminds me of the concorde with the bent nose http://www.roadbikereview.com/cat/co...2_2509crx.aspx
I have decided that saddles need to be rated, based on distance, some are good for 10km, some are good for 20, I'm looking for the saddle that is good for 100, one of the saddles here, didn't last more then 5km before, I felt as if someone set it on fire
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If a saddle is only good for 10 or 20k then it is going to be sold on ebay or given away.
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If a saddle is only good for 10 or 20k then it is going to be sold on ebay or given away.
It's amazing the number of bicycles that come with 10-20km saddles
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Originally Posted by socalrider View Post
resist the temptation to use that wrench. Have been using my b17 champion specials for a couple years now with no adjustments needed..
Yeah, I'm giving it a year before I mess with the tension.


BTW, Rode 53.5 miles yesterday on my new saddle. Longest distance on that saddle; longest distance for me since... oh, sometime in the 1980's. My tush started hurting, but it wasn't primarily due to the saddle; I was wearing fleece long-johns my wife bought for me (not cycling-specific). Found out that while they're plenty warm, and just fine for my 30-minute commute, that they just don't work for longer rides. The seam on the gusseted crotch just happens to cross right under my sit bones. I didn't realize this on earlier LD rides because the saddle I was using was so narrow that my sit bones were straddling the saddle instead of resting on it.

Now I have to decide whether to forgo long-distance training rides in temps below 40, or to deal with the pain. Or to convince my wife that, yes, I need even more cycling crap (not my preference, since I need to start budgeting for warm-weather gear).
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