1. When a state regulates and provides for general health care, it eventually must regulate diet of it's people. Otherwise, the system goes bankrupt with folks that choose not to take care of their health, but continue to leverage the free health care. It is only natural and a matter of time. The other option would be to become more self-reliant. But that's tough with some many folks being dependent upon the state in one form or another. This is true of Europe and true of America.
2. Fat is somewhat the culprit because it tastes great and it's loaded with calories. The human body naturally like to accumulate fat for rainy starvation days. But without wars, without famine, most populations just over eat. So fat is 9 calories relative to 4 for carb or protein, and 7 calories for alcohol per gram respectively. Do the math. Fat eaters, and booze drinkers! LOL! 3. Fat does give good flavour. I'd pay for fat, or I'd buy land and raise it myself. Feed animals a lot of carbs, and they do the fat conversion and make food tasty! And salt, etc. aren't that bad if you maintain good levels (by sweating it out doing work and exercise!). Salt has only been an issue because our aging population has exhibited more risk due to hypertension. Salt is a contributor. 4. Healthy menu items at fast food places are oxymorons and designed for marketing purposes. They contribute fairly low margins, but with good supply chain management and ERP systems, big chains can minimize costs and this helps give them market a more PC personna rather being fingered as being at fault by a population that doesn't want to take personal responsibility. 5. I wouldn't want to be a business owner in a fast food place computing fat calories. I'd much prefer to own a bike shop where we had tubing sets and lugs and I brazed my own steel frames and good no-frills, hand made in America bikes starting at $250 (okay, so some parts made in Taiwan and China). But at least we'd make and assemble here. But fat chance of that happening here. Maybe someday, when I retire from the lucrative software engineering job... :-) But I agree. Too much regs by too much gov't because people take too little personal responsibility. But heck, I'm a big clyde who loves McD! |
Originally Posted by Homeyba
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Sad as it sounds there is a darwinian answer to that. The last thing we need is another invitation for the government to intrude in our lives to protect us from ourselves.
Originally Posted by Blutarsky
(Post 13335014)
$1 to Karl Marx. Good grief. It has nothing to do with communism, it's a tax to increase state income under the guise of regulating health, as stated above, and with the ridiculous tax rates already in place it's a minimal increase to the consumer. I wouldn't have a problem with that, but I shop on the perimeter of the grocery store anyway.
Sayre Kulp had it right - you are responsible for you. If you eat crap, you look/feel like crap. None of the government's business NOR responsibility. In fact, the "fat tax" is capitalism at work: Transferring the cost of health care related to obesity, to the consumer, who can then choose to eat healthier (And thereby less expensive) food. We tried the "you are responsible for you" thing here in the US. It failed, then we got rid of the Articles of Confederation, and came up with our current document. Even at the outset of the US, we have a community-centric attitude. We all participated in shared sacrifices. We got rid of it, and now we have what we have here. Not to mention, Denmark is NOT the US. They have a completely different cultural attitude. |
Originally Posted by Rona
(Post 13331340)
taxing is based on SSCg3d scores.
http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/pd...rientmodel.pdf http://jech.bmj.com/content/61/8/689.abstract http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0712144621.htm The idea has been around since 2007 so it's not new. It adds about 1.50 dollars to each shopping trip according to one guy's calculations.. which doesn't seem enough penalty to keep people from buying crap food. If someone wants to buy some cheetos, they're gonna buy them regardless of the 5 cent tax on them. What it does do though is boost tax income during a time of austerity measures in Europe. To me it's not a bad thing since we already pay 17% VAT tax.. what's another few pennies? I really wont notice. 1) It's not enough money to change spending habits 2) It complicates already complicated tax code 3) Fat is the wrong component of food to worry about If the real reason is to generate income, then raise existing taxes some small amount. |
Originally Posted by Homeyba
(Post 13334380)
The real question is why should the government have any business telling us what kinds of foods to eat or not eat?
Obesity costs America's medical system more than smoking does.
Originally Posted by Blutarsky
(Post 13335014)
Sayre Kulp had it right - you are responsible for you. If you eat crap, you look/feel like crap. None of the government's business NOR responsibility.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest
(Post 13348662)
Because people (with the help of lots of advertising for cheap "food") are doing a very bad job of it themselves. It's not that different from why the government has business building roads and hiring police and fire fighters.
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Originally Posted by UberGeek
(Post 13348046)
Sorry, but we removed Darwin's answer when we started to improve our medicine. So, natural selection does NOT come into play here...
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I'm all for personal responsibility, but the problem with that in our current society is that we all end up footing the bill for health problems caused by those who choose to eat themselves sick. Until they're forced to pay for 100% of their own health care, it remains in our best economic interest to do whatever we can to curb that behavior on a large scale. Whether this sort of tactic is the best approach (or whether it's even effective) is another argument entirely, however.
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Originally Posted by Homeyba
(Post 13334380)
Based on how many "larger" people I know of who have a hard time finding mates I'm not sure?
The fact that some bigger folks put more work into finding mates would be relevant if humans spent our entire lives producing offspring, like rabbits, but since most people in the world stop after a couple/few, the question isn't how much work it takes, but whether it happens at all. And, at the end of the day, we can see what's going on in the world: obesity is on the rise, and Darwin isn't preventing it. |
This has only been an issue for the last 30-40 years or so. I don't really know if there is enough evidence to prove it one way or another. Natural selection doesn't really happen in one generation. Interestingly there is a study published from a researcher from Columbia University that just came out that said "a little extra cushion around the waist on a man is not a big deal to attractive women, as long as he's rich" Maybe I am wrong and natural selection will work in the other direction? ;);) Interestingly they actually came up with a formula. For every 10% increase in a man's Body Mass Index, his salary must increase by 2% in order to continue dating in the same arena. However, women who weigh more by two BMI units compensate with a year of extra education, rather than money. ;);)
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