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Elevation..affect you? (Q for Vesteroid)

Old 08-03-12, 10:21 AM
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Elevation..affect you? (Q for Vesteroid)

Originally Posted by vesteroid
i always giggle when i see many of the so cal guys rides topping out still below the elevation of my house. Thats whyi am dying to come ride gmr with you guys, i justmwant to see if doing that climb at a lower elevation is actually easier or not.
Like you said, it is all relative. Some SoCal riders start and ride at higher elevations to avoid the heat. Mt Baldy is only 4500 level so GMR can get pretty hot.

Myself, I've ridden up to 8400 level several times (Onyx Summit) and never noticed the elevation difference. That's after 9,000-11,000 ft of climbing but everybody is different as I know some that say it affects them while others don't.

At what elevation do you live? If I recall correctly, there aren't many paved roads higher than the 8400 ft of Onyx Summit.

What is your name on Strava so we can check you out?

For the other C&A's, do you feel the effects of higher elevation levels while riding?
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Dude...lol i wasnt Talking about you actually i follow (and you are already following me...its mark). A lot of folks off here and my wine forum. Many of those guys are leaving from around sea level and never getting above 4000 feet. I live about 4700 and i suppose the highest single climb i have done tops out at 8900

Much if not all of my serious climbs are over 7500

I can only say this, as i have never ridden at lower elevations...i run here, and i run when i travel. When i go back to richmond va for work, i easily lose 1 minute a mile on my runs...i had another running buddy here who went to ca to run a race describe it as he believed he had grown a third lung
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Trying to thinkmof paved roads higher in ca... Iknow 120 where it enters Yosemite from the east is around 10000. And i think sonora pass is too...both of them are paved
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I live at 5300'. I'm good up to 11,000 MSL. At 12,000' MSL and above, I'm suffering.
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Originally Posted by vesteroid
Dude...lol i wasnt Talking about you
Well I wasn't taking it personally or as an insult or anything. I was just curious as you were wanting to compare GMR.

OK gotcha! I'm following 3 Marks but I see you by your travels.

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I guarantee it's harder to climb at 10k than it is at 4k! Elevation is not a factor for us so cal weenies, at least most of the time. There's a thread on the SoCal forum talking about the Angeles Crest Highway (ACH) and some of the climbing over there is higher elevation than Mt Baldy Village but I haven't tried any of that yet.

Heat, on the other hand... how many 100 degree climbing days do you get up there?
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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse
I guarantee it's harder to climb at 10k than it is at 4k! Elevation is not a factor for us so cal weenies, at least most of the time. There's a thread on the SoCal forum talking about the Angeles Crest Highway (ACH) and some of the climbing over there is higher elevation than Mt Baldy Village but I haven't tried any of that yet.

Heat, on the other hand... how many 100 degree climbing days do you get up there?
Heat as long as I have water is not a big deal to the village. I've been up there several 100 degree days over the years. Not been a big factor to me. Hillbasher can verify that, I do alright in the heat.

Now a 10 mile inline skating session after 10 years then climbing GMR, east fork, to Crystal Lake the next day is a different story (7500ft gain IIR). I thought I was going to die that day.
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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse
There's a thread on the SoCal forum talking about the Angeles Crest Highway (ACH) and some of the climbing over there is higher elevation than Mt Baldy Village but I haven't tried any of that yet.
"YET" is the operative word there. Here's my list of planned rides:

1) Shack
2) Village
3) Lifts
4) ACH - probably several variations
5) Tioga Pass
6) Death Ride

OK, that should take care of August. We can think about September in a few weeks!
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Dude... the lifts... I'm quaking in my brand new Sidis about that one. Never mind the death ride.
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Originally Posted by vesteroid
Trying to thinkmof paved roads higher in ca... Iknow 120 where it enters Yosemite from the east is around 10000. And i think sonora pass is too...both of them are paved


I searched "highest paved roads in California". You're correct about 120. Onxy is #8. Not a whole lot of difference on the scale. I've done #8 and #12 (Dawson's Saddle)



Just before Onyx Summit on Breathless Agony



Dawson's Saddle



And the lifts....with one hand! (while recording)



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I have some friends wanting me to join them next year on the Death Ride.

Sorry, I digress.....where were we?
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I like mountain biking. It can take you where no paved roads can go.

https://besthike.wordpress.com/2010/0...lake-colorado/

This was by far the most aggressive ride I ever did. Only 5.5 miles, but it starts at 10K and climbs to 11.6K. Plus I was packing camping and fishing gear. Fly fishing there is awesome, but it kicked my lungs and legs severely.
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Elevation effects usually start around 6000ft. Mr. Beanz, I think the reason you haven't noticed anything on some of your climbs that go above that, like Onyx Summit is that it's also a function of how long you are up there. As a more extreme example, you'll see mountaineers summeting 20,000ft peaks without oxygen if they do it really fast. The longer you are up there the more likely you are to feel the effects. If you are just going up then right back down you are less likely to have any problems, especially if you're in good shape. If you did a century with 10,000ft of climbing that was all above 6,000ft I think you'd be more likely to notice it.
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Originally Posted by Daspydyr
I like mountain biking. It can take you where no paved roads can go.

https://besthike.wordpress.com/2010/0...lake-colorado/

This was by far the most aggressive ride I ever did. Only 5.5 miles, but it starts at 10K and climbs to 11.6K. Plus I was packing camping and fishing gear. Fly fishing there is awesome, but it kicked my lungs and legs severely.
Yup, MTB is a different monster. We did Thunder Mtn above the ski lifts on MTB.
Elevation Gain: 2,470 ft in 4.9 miles......Min Elevation: 6,206 ft .....Max Elevation: 8,573 ft


Only 8573 max elevation but I didn't feel it. I'd like to try 10,000 plus someday just to see how it feels.


Pics from Thunder Mtn. This is the final climb to the lift. I honeslty thought I could ride up but I literally fell off the bike at the base. After 3 attempts I had to walk up. Not sure the pic does it justice but I had to stop 3 times to catch my breath....WALKING!





Overlooking GMR/GRR. From the opposite direction, you are overlooking the Cajon Pass, pretty cool.

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Originally Posted by PhotoJoe
I have some friends wanting me to join them next year on the Death Ride.

Sorry, I digress.....where were we?
I've done the DR five or six times but I stopped when they instituted the stupid lottery for entries and then the City hijacked the ride from the local bike club...

If you want a difficult (harder than the DR) try Climb to Kaiser!
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Hey!!! I've got a mtn bike too!

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I'd do the Death Ride on Homey's mountain bike.
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Originally Posted by Homeyba
Elevation effects usually start around 6000ft. Mr. Beanz, I think the reason you haven't noticed anything on some of your climbs that go above that, like Onyx Summit is that it's also a function of how long you are up there.
So Ride Around the Bear for example. Big Bear is at 6700 ft (after 50 miles into the ride). Then riding to Onyx Summit at 8400 (62 miles into the ride) takes maybe an hour and a half (?) Is that considered too short a short time to notice it? I really have no idea so what sort of time would you say it takes to notice it?
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I have to say i suffer in heat. I would say my hr rises 20 percent for a similar effort from riding at 65-70. Vs riding at 90-95

It does top 100 here about 5 days a year, but even then its around 90 by 5 30 or so...so i just go a little
Later.

This week its been 90 every night i have been training, andi tell you doing max vo2 intervals and then sprints the next night just plain wiped me. I slept till 8 this morning, havent slept that late in probably 20 years.

Took a nice recovery ride for about an hour and 15 this morning in the nice cool, and i was much better.

I have to agree with home... I just had my east coast buddy here for a week. He is a big time runner...much faster than i am. I took him to a 5 mile loop at about 6500 feet to do a trail i know, and he was suffering keeping up with me lol.

Now to be fair, i dont think he had ever runon a trail before and the rocks scared him to death..., but i know the 600 feet of climb and the elevation took their toll.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz
I'd like to try 10,000 plus someday just to see how it feels.
Come on out and do Mt Evans.
It's June-August, and sometimes into September for cyclists.
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Originally Posted by Shimagnolo
Come on out and do Mt Evans.
It's June-August, and sometimes into September for cyclists.
I'd have to get into climbing form to enjoy it. Which I plan should be net year as I will be turning 50 in May. Things like this inspire me to get into shape.

The reason I first did a big climbing event was because I turned 40. After a few 26 year old buds were "shweating" me about getting old, I got into shape for the "not too old to kick your arse" factor.

I did again at 43 then 46 and now I figure 50 for those "shweating me" types on the forums.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz
So Ride Around the Bear for example. Big Bear is at 6700 ft (after 50 miles into the ride). Then riding to Onyx Summit at 8400 (62 miles into the ride) takes maybe an hour and a half (?) Is that considered too short a short time to notice it? I really have no idea so what sort of time would you say it takes to notice it?
I'm not too sure either. I think there are a lot of variables. Not everyone is effected by altitude the same and it can have different effects on the same person from one time to another. I've done the bear too and not noticed the altitude anywhere near like I did on the Hoo Doo 500? I literally could not ride in my aerobars through the middle of the Hoo Doo 500 because I couldn't breath. So I don't know if there is a point where you can say it has this effect or that effect but I think the 6000ft number is as good as any for saying that's where the effects can start getting more profound.
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Well I can say that living at 5300 ft above sea level and then vacationing at sea level does wonders for my endurance. Here in Denver I can barely run a 12 minute mile and at sea level I can sprint it. I also found that its takes way more drinks to get wasted at sea level. As for going higher than 5300 ft while cycling thats something that I am gonna work on the next few months. GOTTA LEARN TO CLIMB. On that note I did my first cat 5 hill today and while I was in my easiest gear I made it up without stopping, Yay me!
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beanzy, my strava ride yesterday 53 miles...thats about my best climbing day all around...3600 feet but over a longer distance and kept a much better pace than I ever have before.

Not great by any stretch of the imagination, but if you want to see where I am fitness wise, thats it.
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I actually feel better at high altitude. It's been that way ever since I got serious about cycling 20 years ago and wasn't overweight. I feel stronger, climb a little better, and my heart rate is lower. Over the past year my weight has crept back up to around 150 lbs, yet I'm climbing better. Maybe some of that is muscle, but I should weigh between 120-130 lbs at my height.

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