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Old 08-24-12, 01:33 PM   #1
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How do you like discussing resturant menus

I have friends that are not concerned about their weight and really enjoy going out and eating at great restaurants that serve delicious food. They enjoy going into great detail about how the foods look, smell, taste, and so forth. I sit and listen with no interest at all but never tell them that I could care less.

I just wonder if you guys get to listen to how great the food is at such and such place?
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I love a good tasty joint. If friends can describe a good place, I'll listen and then try it. Of course I am a food lover, I eat because I love the taste of good food but I don't worry much about my weight. I know I am over weight but if I were that concerned, I'd do something about it.

It seems to be one of the most popular topics in the world today. Not sure why you have a problem with it unless this is an attempt to continue with the negativity that has been going on in this forum lately.

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yeah it sucks, because I LOVE food. It is even worse for my friend who recently converted to being vegetarian. He is a graphic art/web developer. He has a few contracts with some high end supper clubs. Taking pictures of fabulous dinners and making print and web media has got to be sooooo hard. He has some amazing will power, since he's lost over 130lbs just this year.

I wish all food tasted like crap. Then I would only eat as much as I need to stay alive and not be a huge, fat pig.
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I have friends that are not concerned about their weight and really enjoy going out and eating at great restaurants that serve delicious food. They enjoy going into great detail about how the foods look, smell, taste, and so forth. I sit and listen with no interest at all but never tell them that I could care less.

I just wonder if you guys get to listen to how great the food is at such and such place?
Yes. I love to eat. Sometimes my mouth waters just reading menu entries or hearing about things. Obviously that makes ordering much easier. It also brings up old memories.

Earlier this week one of my co-workers was talking about the Spanish style chorizo in the shop attached to my favorite tapas place which got me thinking about what I like to eat there, like the sashimi scallops served in squid ink and olive oil which is such an awesome combination with the sweet tender scallops set off by the briny and unique taste of squid ink. That gets me thinking about when I was hanging out in Madrid on my honeymoon where I had baby squid in their ink, the detour through Gran Canaria were we found a small fishing village with the best little panfish served with mishapen potatoe, sea food in general like in season sea urchin mixed up with squid and raw quail egg (Uni Ika Soma) at Shiro's in Seattle which a co-worker in Sunnyvale, CA told me was one of the few places in the US (17) with a chef licensed to prepare Fugu (you do have to call ahead and get an entire fish). The Madrid trip also makes me think about goat, because I first had kid (I think like a lamb shank) there. Goat gets me thinking about my favorite tacqueria which has stewed goat which makes for a great burrito when paired with 2-3 roasted jalapenos chopped up inside. Roasted peppers get me thinking about the (mild) chille cheese steak at one of my favorite lunch joints.

Mmm. Food. Eating is by far my favorite hobby.

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I like good food. I've learned that nearly any restaurant has a decent option that doesn't max out my calorie budget for the day. Even Cheesecake Factory doesn't have to be a horribly bloated dinner trip.

When friends say, "Let's go to Old Country Buffet!", realize that you can just as easily stack your plate with lean meat and veggies as they can stack theirs with brown-colored fat-and-carb grenades. Go with them and eat well.

slowride454, you say that you wish all food tasted like crap so you wouldn't eat too much of it. I finally realized that between two choices at 7-11 -- a buffalo chicken taquito and a banana -- the banana really does taste better. Plus it's cheap.
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I love a good tasty joint. If friends can describe a good place, I'll listen and then try it. Of course I am a food lover, I eat because I love the taste of good food but I don't worry much about my weight. I know I am over weight but if I were that concerned, I'd do something about it.
I want to lose weight now because I'm almost at the big Six Oh so I am addressing some health issues with weight loss. Plus, I feel better. But, that said, I still love food - 'specially Mexican food here in El Paso. There are some amazing restaurants here, some wonderful flavors. But the only thing I've done to lose weight as far as eating (on the WW program) is to moderate the amounts of food, not to give the foods I love up.
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It seems to be one of the most popular topics in the world today. Not sure why you have a problem with it unless this is an attempt to continue with the negativity that has been going on in this forum lately.
Ppl think it takes a lot of sacrifice to lose weight. I think the op is one of the people that believes food is evil, the culprit. That's not true, there's nothing evil about food - the smells and the flavors and the textures are an art to enjoy. When we gain weight, it's not food's fault - - In Cali, do they have killer Machaca?

I also think people blame other things, be it food or whatever, for their shortcomings. I blame everybody and everything except myself when stuff goes wrong - but it's really my wife's fault (sorry darlin')
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No problem listening at all. I love food but it's not the alpha & omega... Means to an end for me. If I'm on a diet, I'm on a diet.. In MY opinion, that doesn't solve anything.
For me, it's a balance.

Just had a great meal at the Outback...not feeling the least bit O guilt...
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Thats the beauty of cycling. I just rode a quick 6 miler so dont feel too guilty eating my 12" Subway.

For me, I enjoy food. Food is part of my social life since once a week we like to eat in a new place. Sometimes recommended by friends.Though my weight-loss is super slow (40lbs in 2 yrs), I am still constantly losing and Im 100% convinced cycling is the reason why.

I just can eat like a rabbit. I tried it and was miserable.
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I like to cycle and I like to eat. I'm somewhat limited by being gluten intolerant, but I never liked most bread products anyway. I'm a Clyde, not because I'm obese, but because I have a much heavier bone structure than most guys my size. And Chiva? In a burrito? where?---I'm pedaling fast!!
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I'm a Clyde, not because I'm obese, but because I have a much heavier bone structure than most guys my size. . . .
Yeah, that what we all say . . .
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I believe that activity, or exercise, is more important than diet when it comes to health and weight loss. I'm not saying diet is unimportant, I'm saying that (in my view) exercise is more important. Diets allow us to moderate and sometimes change what we eat in order to lose weight, but exercise changes our bodies systemically. Exercise is what gives us the healthy cardiovascular system and the greater muscle mass and all the other system-wide life-altering changes that make us healthy. Aerobic activity spawns the growth of fat-eating enzymes in the muscles that grow into an immense colony and continue to burn fat when we're at rest. I'm on Weight Watchers and it is successful, but the major "thing" I'm doing for my health and weight is bicycling. So, back to the OP, it doesn't bother me at all to hear restaurant menu discussions.

If your weight loss is primarily because of diet, then eating something out of plan is a big deal. If weight loss/health is based on exercise with diet as secondary, then eating something out of the plan is no big deal.

A great read for someone wanting to lose weight through exercise is the classic "Fit or Fat" by Covert Bailey. I've discovered the science discussed in his book works for me, and it allows me to visit L&J's Cafe here in ELP and have the most amazing flavors - -
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Thanks guys. I am rolling on the floor laughing. I deserved every comment. I was negative which I apologize for and I even got to read about someones greatest meal. It just does not get any better that this. I love you guys.
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I just can eat like a rabbit. I tried it and was miserable.
Mmmm....rabbit (drool)

Sorry, couldn't resist - even without any terribly descriptive posts in this thread, my mouth is watering.
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I have friends that are not concerned about their weight and really enjoy going out and eating at great restaurants that serve delicious food.
You make it sound as if you cannot go out to eat at great restaurants that serve delicious food if you are concerned about your weight. Where I livem, there are plenty of health/calorie consious dining out options. Going out doesn't have to mean The Cheesecake Factory or some nasty all you cna eat Chinese buffet, at least not where I live. Even if you dine out on a high calorie meal, it's o.k. as long as it doesn't become the norm just like it wouldn't be o.k. if you ate the same way at home all the time.
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My favorite Indian restaurant is only a few miles away, as the crow flies, but it's about a 15 mile round trip by bike, because I take the scenic and fun routes. If I don't have my lock with me, I get a window seat near the door where I can keep an eye on my ride while I eat. This has never been a problem. I enjoy a bowl of malia kofta, and I enjoy the ride home. This time of year, the ride home tends to happen around twilight, when the sky turns that gorgeous shade of blue, and the city lights start coming on.
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Mmmm....rabbit (drool)

Sorry, couldn't resist - even without any terribly descriptive posts in this thread, my mouth is watering.
I love me some rabbit. I can get 'em fresh on the weekends. Sometimes the butcher has to take one out of the window and skin it for me.

One of the neatest post-ride meals I ever had was rabbit. I was touring Andalucia, Spain for 7 weeks. One night in a small town I ordered revueltos (scrambled eggs) with asparagus and shrimp for an appetizer and rabbit for an entre. I knew I was ordering rabbit (conejo), but I couldn't translate the entire description. What was brought out to me was a half a small rabbit split down the middle and grilled with onion sauce and paired with a side of potatoes. I let out some sort of delighted exclamation at the sight and the waiter smiled at me and shook his head. He got a bote for that meal.
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You make it sound as if you cannot go out to eat at great restaurants that serve delicious food if you are concerned about your weight. Where I livem, there are plenty of health/calorie consious dining out options. Going out doesn't have to mean The Cheesecake Factory or some nasty all you cna eat Chinese buffet, at least not where I live. Even if you dine out on a high calorie meal, it's o.k. as long as it doesn't become the norm just like it wouldn't be o.k. if you ate the same way at home all the time.
+1. The secret is in balance, and the answer to the question Who's in control here? You, or the food? Taste buds are a creation of God where we get to enjoy art. We just need to keep it from becoming our master. (Wow, that's quotable! I don't believe I said that. It'll be published some day . . .)
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To the OP--as I was leading up to weight loss surgery in 07 my doctor and his shrink warned me that there were psychological implications in not being able to use food like I had before. Blah, Blah Blah. . .

Fast forward to the weeks following surgery. I could not eat more than 3 or 4 bites of food before I started to gag. Something in my brain head caused me to not be able to tolerate food. They told me I was fine to start eating solid food again--I couldn't get more than a few bites down. . .

The interesting thing is during that time, I was OBSESSED with food. I was spending every free moment looking at recipe websites and thinking about dishes I would like to try to make. How cool would it be to bake homemade bread!?!? I wonder how hard it is to make homemade sausages? I should pick one food like hummus or guacamole and spend a few weeks perfecting a recipe for it. It was NONSTOP.

For several months I was one twisted little monkey. Slowly but surely things went back to normal.

So yeah, I like to talk about food. Thanks for asking.
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You make it sound as if you cannot go out to eat at great restaurants that serve delicious food if you are concerned about your weight. Where I livem, there are plenty of health/calorie consious dining out options. Going out doesn't have to mean The Cheesecake Factory or some nasty all you cna eat Chinese buffet, at least not where I live. Even if you dine out on a high calorie meal, it's o.k. as long as it doesn't become the norm just like it wouldn't be o.k. if you ate the same way at home all the time.
I think it's more about quantity than what you eat. Note the Twinkie diet (where a nutrition professor lost 27 pounds - http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08...sor/index.html) and the so-called French paradox (although some of us would summarize French cooking as "butter and duck fat make everything better" with French dining always calling for wine, the French generally don't have weight problems).

When my wife and I were rather skinny and cared that we were we still ate what we wanted.

BUT

We split an appetizer, entree, and desert which are each generally sized to more than one person should eat except when ordering omakase from my favorite sushi spot, where the chef slowly feeds you the tastiest morsels a few bites at a time until you're full leaving ample time to notice that you're full and stop eating.
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my friends and i simply obsess over different foods and most menus. then of course it comes down to business time and i take another look at the menu and say "great one option again....... salad" nearly all the restaurants around me do not have more than one dish that is of the vegetarian variety other than salad. of course most have the eggplant parm but its fried and smothered in cheese over pasta with sauce. kinda makes it tough when you prefer to only eat meat 1 or 2 days a week. then comes the bacon cheese jalapeno Cajun fried and all he11 breaks loose.
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My wife and I love going out to eat.

But now, we order one item and split it. Or we order two items and take a lot of leftovers home.


The second bite of something doesn't taste any better than the first.
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We split an appetizer, entree, and desert which are each generally sized to more than one person should eat except when ordering omakase from my favorite sushi spot, where the chef slowly feeds you the tastiest morsels a few bites at a time until you're full leaving ample time to notice that you're full and stop eating.
Splitting a meal really helps keep the portion to a reasonable amount. An "appetizer" of chicken strips, jalepeno poppers, cheese sticks, AND nacho chips is more for a whole table of people, not an individual -- yet a lot of people buy that single appetizer for themselves.

Regarding the part I highlighted, I've heard that it takes a person about 15-20 minutes after eating before their body feels like it's had a meal. If you eat quickly, you can eat a LOT of stuff in that fifteen minutes, easily too much to be a reasonable amount for one meal. I had a coworker who used to trick himself into eating more slowly by adopting a "chopstick diet" where he used only chopsticks for every meal. Because he was pretty bad with them, it took him forever to get the food to his mouth, so he didn't eat as much in the same span of time.

Bottom line for me -- it IS possible to eat smart at virtually every restaurant I've ever been to. I'm not going to blame them for my response to their menus.
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You tried the wrong rabbit food then.

Someone mocked the OP by saying he/she thinks 'food is evil' people make the mistake and think that healthy food is disgusting or not satisfying. Spend some time looking for alternatives to a few carrots in a pre-bagged salad and it won't be that bad. Hell, a juice diet is tastier then most of the crap people limit themselves to when they choose to eat 'Rabbit food'.
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You tried the wrong rabbit food then.

Someone mocked the OP by saying he/she thinks 'food is evil' people make the mistake and think that healthy food is disgusting or not satisfying. Spend some time looking for alternatives to a few carrots in a pre-bagged salad and it won't be that bad. Hell, a juice diet is tastier then most of the crap people limit themselves to when they choose to eat 'Rabbit food'.
I just experienced the opposite this morning -- that is, junk food tasting like junk.

I've gotten so accustomed to fruits, vegetables, and lean meats that so-called "junk food" tastes like crap. I dropped off a coworker at the airport and got some snacks at the gas station to serve as breakfast -- Grandma's oatmeal raisin cookies, peanut M&M's, some Club cheese & cheddar crackers, and a pair of sausage-egg-and-cheese taquitos. Halfway back home, it all started to hit, and my stomach felt awful. I wasn't nauseous or anything, but I just felt worse than I did before. I wished that I had opted for a banana, apple, and maybe some fruit juice, or at least plain water.

On a side note, fats, sugar, and salt don't need to substitute for flavoring. I see chefs use them on American cooking shows all the time. Peppers and herbs are a whole lot better tasting and better for your health, too. You can make "rabbit food" taste wonderful if you try the right stuff.
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I just experienced the opposite this morning -- that is, junk food tasting like junk.

I've gotten so accustomed to fruits, vegetables, and lean meats that so-called "junk food" tastes like crap. I dropped off a coworker at the airport and got some snacks at the gas station to serve as breakfast -- Grandma's oatmeal raisin cookies, peanut M&M's, some Club cheese & cheddar crackers, and a pair of sausage-egg-and-cheese taquitos. Halfway back home, it all started to hit, and my stomach felt awful. I wasn't nauseous or anything, but I just felt worse than I did before. I wished that I had opted for a banana, apple, and maybe some fruit juice, or at least plain water.

On a side note, fats, sugar, and salt don't need to substitute for flavoring. I see chefs use them on American cooking shows all the time. Peppers and herbs are a whole lot better tasting and better for your health, too. You can make "rabbit food" taste wonderful if you try the right stuff.
+1. This is my experience too. I still like good food, but junk now tastes like junk now that I'm used to better quality.
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