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Old 08-27-12, 12:48 PM
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An off-topic observation

This isn't specific to C&As, but I probably participate most here, so I put it here. (I've been really busy the last few weeks, and haven't participated much anywhere...)

One thing I'd always noticed about BF is that there's very limited conversation, in the sense of give and take, in threads. Not that it never happens, but it often seems as if the latest poster hasn't seen a lot of the recent responses, so the whole thing gives the effect of a bunch of people in talk-only mode, rather than talk-listen-talk mode.

I think I finally figured out why this is, (other than that cycling is inherently a solitary pursuit that makes your own voice in your head the thing you hear the most...). On other forums I've participated in, the threads were presented in "threaded", rather than strictly sequential view. Responses to a particular post appeared indented, under that post - this gave the effect of sub-threads, when a particular response elicited responses of its own, those responses elicited responses, etc.

Here, (at least for me), threads are in strict chronological order. So, someone may say something, but if its said in the middle of a thread, later posters will probably never have seen it - they started reading at the beginning, reached a response they wanted to comment on, and made their comment (which appeared at the very end of the thread). And then they watched for responses to their response, which of course, never came for the same reason that they never saw the responses in the middle of the thread.

I wonder if there's a way to generate threaded view, or if there were, would anyone be interested.
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BF has over 40 Forums.
Do you read all of them?
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I like chocolate cake.
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Hey Tony,

If you like to read and type go to Introductions and Give a Long Welcome to the new members everyday.

That way you could increase your post count.
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Probably. At least you.






Sorry. Cheap, I know. But, that's the way it is around here.
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Why the snarky responses?

I suppose it would be nice to be able to follow a "thread" within a "thread" but that is not how BF is set up. I had not thought about it before reading this. I see nothing wrong with the observation and wish that it was that way. Nor do I see a problem with a dialogue about it. But that's me.
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I just wish there was an app or that it worked with tap-a-talk. So I could respond within a response with my response.
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Originally Posted by 10 Wheels View Post
Hey Tony,

If you like to read and type go to Introductions and Give a Long Welcome to the new members everyday.

That way you could increase your post count.
Hmmm. Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. So what did I do to piss you off? Or are you just having a bad day? Are you on official antibody duty?
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Hmmm. Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. So what did I do to piss you off? Or are you just having a bad day? Are you on official antibody duty?
You skipped the chocolate cake post.
What is your favorite cake?
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In my experience, threaded forums are much more difficult to read; they branch off into 20 sub-threads that are mostly related in topic and it makes the conversation that much more difficult to follow.
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You skipped the chocolate cake post.
What is your favorite cake?
I guess antibody duty then. OK - takes all kinds, I guess. Have a great day!
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In my experience, threaded forums are much more difficult to read; they branch off into 20 sub-threads that are mostly related in topic and it makes the conversation that much more difficult to follow.
There are pros and cons to each format. Some forum software gives the reader the option to choose the format they see the threads in, so you can choose sequential or threaded or even hybrid.

BTW - This was not meant as a swipe at BF - I've enjoyed a number of the sub-forums here. I'd just noticed that longer threads lose their interactivity as a result of the format. Not a major problem. Just an observation.
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Tony, Threaded view is suported in earlier versions of vBulliten software, I do not know if it is supported in vB4.x. If it is then the forum admin has elected to not enable it as a member preference item. That said there are other features that are not enabled in this forum. In other forums that I visit I usually pre to view linear rather than threaded. IMHO threaded is just cumbersome to read, I rate it right up there with links that open in the same window.

And the snarkieness and off topic...... where's the mod?
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Hey Tony,

If you like to read and type go to Introductions and Give a Long Welcome to the new members everyday.

That way you could increase your post count.

I am serious about it ^^^ We need help in Introductions.

Do you ever Welcome any new members?
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Tony, Threaded view is suported in earlier versions of vBulliten software, I do not know if it is supported in vB4.x. If it is then the forum admin has elected to not enable it as a member preference item. That said there are other features that are not enabled in this forum. In other forums that I visit I usually pre to view linear rather than threaded. IMHO threaded is just cumbersome to read, I rate it right up there with links that open in the same window.

And the snarkieness and off topic...... where's the mod?
How many new members do you Welcome?
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Same format as a Musicians forum I already frequented, so it was a simple switch.

that one lacks some of the smilies, though .. like
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In my experience, threaded forums are much more difficult to read; they branch off into 20 sub-threads that are mostly related in topic and it makes the conversation that much more difficult to follow.
^^^^^^This.

Originally Posted by tony_merlino View Post
There are pros and cons to each format. Some forum software gives the reader the option to choose the format they see the threads in, so you can choose sequential or threaded or even hybrid.

BTW - This was not meant as a swipe at BF - I've enjoyed a number of the sub-forums here. I'd just noticed that longer threads lose their interactivity as a result of the format. Not a major problem. Just an observation.
While the threading makes a particular conversation within a thread easier to follow, it also makes the thread as a whole more difficult to track chronologically. I sort of miss seeing all the previous replies embedded within the current one. But, things get way too big that way.

Prefer pie over cake.
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I thought we all pinkie promised not to be so negative and drive people off?

Is it game-on again?
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And the snarkieness and off topic...... where's the mod?
Hardly required in this case. No one has been abusive or insulting. I believe most of the instances have been tongue in cheek efforts to point out that the format is not responsibly for keeping people on topic or not. I suppose some of the BF respondents might not be able to see that. (Now, that's an insult. See how it's done?)
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No. I just happen to like chocolate cake.
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We're an oddly introspective and self-referential bunch. And these threads are too difficult to engage on, and remind me far too much of work. Which is fine, but I get paid for work.

I'm hereby making a pledge to only post here on things having to do with bicycles, their equipment and maintenance, and the challenges, trials and tribulations of riding them. That's one of my passions, and for me it is fun.

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I like chocolate cake.

I don't like chocolate cake.
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Doohickie might be on a diet.
That was his stomach talking.
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there is nothing, and I mean nothing like a slice of real cream cheese icing carrot cake....nuf said!

And I love how people have to post saying they are not going to post anymore lol
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Do chocolate cupcakes count? Mrs. Fred made some excellent chocolate cupcakes from scratch, with butter cream chocolate icing, for a bake sale yesterday. They were delish:-)
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