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Went to my LBS today to make some adjustments to my bike because of the bike pain. The fitter put another spacer on the stem and I went for a 3 mile ride. It was a whole lot better and the saddle is actually really nice.

NOW, I was looking at the bikes and saw that they had a Venge on sale. point being the Venge is a 2012 Venge Pro M2 Red. Original MSRP is 6400 and he is letting it go for 4800. Is that a good price? I know ive been riding for a short period of time therefore I am prone to get flamed here and I understand. I think it is a good sale considering I can probably go down to 4500 bucks and that would be HUGE upgrade from my FELT Z85. I can give the Felt to my fiancee which is a good thing as well.

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What do you hope to get from riding the Venge?
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How would you feel if the girl friend jumped on the Felt and left you in her smoke?
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Don't listen to ten wheels...he just wants to make sense

Look just be honest, you want it because you want it...and if that's the case and it doesn't cause you financial distress, hell go buy it.

Just don't kid yourself that it's going to be night and day difference between what you have.
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Sounds like you've caught a serious case of the "gots to have its". There's only one cure... Go ride your bike! :-)
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well now is the time to shop around, with interbike coming up in less the a month, all the of the 2013 models will be hitting the floor late next month.
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I bought Two New Bikes this year.
My Felt is still my fastest bike.

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How would you feel if the girl friend jumped on the Felt and left you in her smoke?
Probably nothing! but it is sick looking and im sure it probably feels nicer on the overal ride. What she doesnt know is that i will leave her tires at 30psi and if t happens then well burn the venge >

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Don't listen to ten wheels...he just wants to make sense

Look just be honest, you want it because you want it...and if that's the case and it doesn't cause you financial distress, hell go buy it.

Just don't kid yourself that it's going to be night and day difference between what you have.
its turning into a case of i need it not really but damn it is the bike ive been looking at ever since i saw the mclaren.

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well now is the time to shop around, with interbike coming up in less the a month, all the of the 2013 models will be hitting the floor late next month.
Shopping time
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How would you feel if the girl friend jumped on the Felt and left you in her smoke?
Just tighten her brakes up a touch!
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If you just put spacers under the stem of a bike with a tall head tube, what on earth are you going to do with a venge?

Buy some high zoot carbon wheels if you really need to spend money. You'll get more out of them.
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If you just put spacers under the stem of a bike with a tall head tube, what on earth are you going to do with a venge?

Buy some high zoot carbon wheels if you really need to spend money. You'll get more out of them.
Been thinking about the wheels. That would be nice.
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So... Is it a really good price for the venge?
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Is it a good price? Sounds like it.

Is it a huge upgrade from your Felt? No.
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Is it a good price? Sounds like it.

Is it a huge upgrade from your Felt? No.
other than upgrading myself what would be a HUGE upgrade from my FELT?
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other than upgrading myself what would be a HUGE upgrade from my FELT?
Depends on what yo mean by 'upgrade.' More expensive? 2 lbs lighter (keeping in mind you are posting in the 200 lbs+ forum)?

If you wonder what will actually make you ride faster... well, you can't buy that. If you expect any performance difference, the tires on the Venge might be a little lighter and you may be able to feel a small difference from that, but you can buy even better tires for your Felt for a whole lot less that $4000.

But if you just want a more expensive bike then the Venge seems like a nice bike.
But more important than the components and frame material is how the bike fits you.
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(I am attempting to reply to this in as positive and non snarky manner as possible)

You've started this threas by describing the adjustments you've just made to the bicycle you already have to make it "more comfortable" to ride and have in the next paragraph asked about the realative value of one of the least comfortable bicycles in the pro peleton. A bicycle that was designed without compromise for speed at the expense of comfort. To the extent that even pro tour riders will choose either of Specialized's other racing frames, the Tarmac or the Roubaix, when they are more appropriate. A bicycle who's primary reason for existing is to take advantage of aerodynamic features that only start to pay dividends when exceeding 25mph.

As already stated by others, if ya' gotta' have it and it's going to make you want to ride more than you do now, go get it. If you're interested in increasing your performance, I would lean toward a gps computer with heart rate, cadence and power, paired to a powertap hubbed rear wheel. I've got the former (the computer with features) and it's done loads for my performance. Next up on my really, really want list is the powertap rear.

Just know, that once you've added the max number of spacers under your stem of the Venge and perhaps even purchased a steering tube extender, "You are going to be that guy."
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Depends on what yo mean by 'upgrade.' More expensive? 2 lbs lighter (keeping in mind you are posting in the 200 lbs+ forum)?

If you wonder what will actually make you ride faster... well, you can't buy that. If you expect any performance difference, the tires on the Venge might be a little lighter and you may be able to feel a small difference from that, but you can buy even better tires for your Felt for a whole lot less that $4000.

But if you just want a more expensive bike then the Venge seems like a nice bike.
But more important than the components and frame material is how the bike fits you.
I guess its more of a mental thing than anything else. I tend to leave earth every now and then hoping that something will bring me back down. I could have gone tomorrow and get it.. in the end I think its best to stick to new wheels like others have recommended here. Anyways by now I am starting to fall in love with my felt since ive been putting some mods into it already and it looks pretty personal.

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You've started this threas by describing the adjustments you've just made to the bicycle you already have to make it "more comfortable" to ride and have in the next paragraph asked about the realative value of one of the least comfortable bicycles in the pro peleton. A bicycle that was designed without compromise for speed at the expense of comfort. To the extent that even pro tour riders will choose either of Specialized's other racing frames, the Tarmac or the Roubaix, when they are more appropriate. A bicycle who's primary reason for existing is to take advantage of aerodynamic features that only start to pay dividends when exceeding 25mph.

As already stated by others, if ya' gotta' have it and it's going to make you want to ride more than you do now, go get it. If you're interested in increasing your performance, I would lean toward a gps computer with heart rate, cadence and power, paired to a powertap hubbed rear wheel. I've got the former (the computer with features) and it's done loads for my performance. Next up on my really, really want list is the powertap rear.

Just know, that once you've added the max number of spacers under your stem of the Venge and perhaps even purchased a steering tube extender, "You are going to be that guy."
And this is what brings me back to earth. Thanks for letting me know how uncomfortable that thing really is. It didnt look quite as bad but I guess if I dont try it I wont know it. I am over 200 pounds true. I am about 202 pounds at 5'11" and have around 19% body fat and 21% muscle. I am chubby so weight might be a concern until I hit 10% or less body fat. I'll wait there is no reason to spend that money if there wont be any real benefit and I end up hating cycling because of extreme pain. Like said before...next thing up is carbon wheels! Im sure I can transfer those to my next bike when I decide to upgrade in the future. I guess I need to learn to a bit patient. Should have learnt with my last impulsive buy "which I dont regret" but ended up costing me some.
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So did you get the Venge yet?
I did in a 20 minute nap i took earlier... and then my fiancee gave me the knee between the legs.
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Body fat percentages aren't the holy grail of purchase justification. That's for sure. And I suspect the Venge can support whatever weight you put on it.

I almost always preface my, "what are you thinking?" with "if it'll get you riding more go for it."

It was you pursuit of more "comfort" on the Z that casues me to question your consideration of the Venge.

But, with regards to the Venge, it's not just that it's designed with a realatively low headtube to help facilitate getting the rider in a low aero position. You could get around that with the next frame size up and a shorter than average stem. But, also that the deep aero tubing provide the least amount of vertical compliance (shock absorbtion) of Specialized's racing frames.

If you're at all interested in comfort, something like the Roubaix is going to be by far the better ride.

If you really want one, arrange a demo ride. Something more than 3 miles. More like 30 miles or more. At least here in New Zealand the Specialized distributor has a demo truck full of the entire range (road and mtb). At he "demo days" they encourage you to be back in 30 mintues, but, you can usually set up a full day rental/trial the day before or after via an LBS.

If it's performance you're after, 90% engine, 10% bike. Even that may be overstating the bike's role.
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... and then my fiancee gave me the knee between the legs.
In the nap I hope:-)
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That changes things dramatically - definitely buy it before you get married. Any spare cash after marriage is converted into shoes and handbags at an alarming rate.
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Body fat percentages aren't the holy grail of purchase justification. That's for sure. And I suspect the Venge can support whatever weight you put on it.

I almost always preface my, "what are you thinking?" with "if it'll get you riding more go for it."

It was you pursuit of more "comfort" on the Z that casues me to question your consideration of the Venge.

But, with regards to the Venge, it's not just that it's designed with a realatively low headtube to help facilitate getting the rider in a low aero position. You could get around that with the next frame size up and a shorter than average stem. But, also that the deep aero tubing provide the least amount of vertical compliance (shock absorbtion) of Specialized's racing frames.

If you're at all interested in comfort, something like the Roubaix is going to be by far the better ride.

If you really want one, arrange a demo ride. Something more than 3 miles. More like 30 miles or more. At least here in New Zealand the Specialized distributor has a demo truck full of the entire range (road and mtb). At he "demo days" they encourage you to be back in 30 mintues, but, you can usually set up a full day rental/trial the day before or after via an LBS.

If it's performance you're after, 90% engine, 10% bike. Even that may be overstating the bike's role.
Well I didnt know it was that uncomfortable. The owner of the store told me to come on the weekend and I could take the Venge for about an hour through the backroads to see if I liked it. He said "If you ride it you will buy it". Now thinking about it it doesnt make sense for me to go to an uncomfy bike. I rather have a bike I can do 100 miles+ in that a bike I can do 50 miles and be beat. I am sure that venge has to be a magnificent bike though. We'll see in a future. I also think that my LBS gave me a size too big when they gave me my felt but then again I am not 100%. During the fitting the had to shorten the stem and it still felt like quite a reach. I have back and neck problems since my bike accident so posture on the bike might be extremely important. Might have to end up on a lowrider with ape bars.

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In the nap I hope:-)
She didnt do it but the look in her face when I told her "look baby do you like it? I want to buy it" was as painfull or even worse...

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That changes things dramatically - definitely buy it before you get married. Any spare cash after marriage is converted into shoes and handbags at an alarming rate.
This gets me thinking! Believe me when I say ive been trying to spoil myself prior to my marriage so by the time she needs a pair of shoes I will be already taken care of. Just this year I had to postpone the wedding due to a motorcycle purchase.... Was she happy? NO Am I happy ABSOLUTELY!
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You sound like a gear junkie...I have a couple friends like that...always hunting for a reason to justify their purchases (all in good fun). But bottom line, the new gear makes them ride more, so, just for that reason only, any purchase is justified.

Performance wise, at least one of them could be covering same distances and doing same avg speeds on a hybrid...but the guy has a grin on his face when at the top of the hills (most everyone in the group recognizes the face because he's usually last and everyone is waiting to regroup). I bet next season he'll be the winner of the highest/fastest individual improvement award. And he won't be last at the top of the hills for long, just because he rides more than anyone else in the group.

Having the chance to take the bike for a test ride, go do it. Shortest way to get the doubt out of your mind. LBS guy is a salesman "if you ride it you'll buy it".... mmmm, perhaps not everyone. I wouldn't be surprised if, after riding it, both your butt and your back would be screaming about how unforgiving the ride is.

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This gets me thinking! Believe me when I say ive been trying to spoil myself prior to my marriage so by the time she needs a pair of shoes I will be already taken care of. Just this year I had to postpone the wedding due to a motorcycle purchase.... Was she happy? NO Am I happy ABSOLUTELY!
Your last act as a hero was postponing a wedding (for a bike purchase no less) and getting away with it...however, if/when the ring is on your finger, better not to try to be a hero. ;-)

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