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Old 03-06-13, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kpmurphy
Got it. So suicide levers and stem shifters are a sign of low end bikes.


I have heard mixed reviews for bikesdirect.com and hesitate to buy from them. Does the motobecane suggested have better components than most?
Shimano 105 components are good components. But, it looks like only the rear derailleur is 105 and the other components mostly a step down, mostly Tiagra. I have a bike with all 105 components and another bike with all Tiagra. The 105 is substantially better.

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Originally Posted by kpmurphy
Got it. So suicide levers and stem shifters are a sign of low end bikes.


I have heard mixed reviews for bikesdirect.com and hesitate to buy from them. Does the motobecane suggested have better components than most?
It has decent stuff. Tiagra shifters and 105 rear derailleur, not the highest end stuff, but you could ride that bike for years and never have an issue past routine maintenance and at the under $1000 price point for a new bike it's hard to do too much better. The wheelset seems ok, like something you could buy for $200. I have a feeling you may have some issues with them and your weight, but time will tell.

You could probably find a nicer bike used but you really have to know what you're doing and if you buy an older bike you might end up without integrated shifters which would be a shame.
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Do you mind if I ask what your budget is? That might help us in the forum to provide you with realistic recommendations. You are certainly in a bit of a predicament because even though some bikes have been made for tall riders, you are still on the far end of the distribution as I'm sure you already know. I don't know if you're interested but this frame was posted yesterday...

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ra...655556387.html

If you're interested in doing some work yourself, I would be willing to assist in brokering the deal, just send me a personal message. If you had a bare frame like this, you could try to find another complete bike and transfer all of the parts over. The 2 parts that you would probably want to buy new would be the longest stem that you could find and bars that are wide enough.

Also, if you're new to working on bikes make sure and check out the park tool website and youtube. Lots of good instruction on these 2 sites. Since you live in a large metro area like Boston, there is probably a bike co-op that has open shop time where you pay by the hour to use their shop and all their tools. Here is an example of something in my area and I would think that there would be something similar in the Boston metro area...

https://thehubbikecoop.org/d-i-y-do-it-yourself/
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I recently got the Motobecane Vent Noir from Bikesdirect, I found the frame quality is very good and the components are decent quality Tiagra,105 mix
The bike came on time and in good condition, the assembly took about an hour, and I took may time dialing it in.
I have put about 100 mile on the trainer just waiting for the roads to clear so I can take it out
The customer service is very good, I had a question after I assembled the bike and they were propmt and helpful is resolving the issue
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Originally Posted by aramis
It has decent stuff. Tiagra shifters and 105 rear derailleur, not the highest end stuff, but you could ride that bike for years and never have an issue past routine maintenance and at the under $1000 price point for a new bike it's hard to do too much better. The wheelset seems ok, like something you could buy for $200. I have a feeling you may have some issues with them and your weight, but time will tell.

You could probably find a nicer bike used but you really have to know what you're doing and if you buy an older bike you might end up without integrated shifters which would be a shame.
Yes, I didn't mean to overly disrespect the Tiagra. I like the 105 a lot better but the Tiagra works fine. Just not as slick.
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Originally Posted by goldfinch
Yes, I didn't mean to overly disrespect the Tiagra. I like the 105 a lot better but the Tiagra works fine. Just not as slick.
No worries. I just have 2 bikes with tiagra 9 speed as well as a 7800 dura ace bike and a sram rival bike and the tiagra bikes shift as well as any of the other ones if you spend the time to set them up properly and really dial them in. I think the difference is weight, looks and maybe slight "feel" but the tiagra stuff works great.

If I were the OP there is something nice about just getting a new bike and not having to deal with swapping parts or hunting deals down and all that stuff. I mean the bike works and you go out and ride and that's it! If I could go back to when I started riding, I'd probably just go to a bike shop and buy a $1200 cannondale with rival or 105 or whatever and just ride a lot instead of me buying a bunch of used bikes that never ended up working that great (even though I did learn how to fix pretty much everything on a bike in the process).
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Originally Posted by kpmurphy
Got it. So suicide levers and stem shifters are a sign of low end bikes.


I have heard mixed reviews for bikesdirect.com and hesitate to buy from them. Does the motobecane suggested have better components than most?
Most of the reviews I've seen from BikesDirect.com on this forum are actually quite positive (not all, but most). The biggest problem is figuring out which size to get (and in your case, that isn't so hard ).

Stem shifters are a sign of low end bikes. Suicide levers (at least in their current form) are often found on cross bikes and aren't really a sign of low end (although probably aren't a found on very high end bikes either).

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Originally Posted by kpmurphy
Got it. So suicide levers and stem shifters are a sign of low end bikes.
I agree that stem shifters and safety levers are a sign of less expensive bikes but that doesn't mean that those bikes are bad or not rideable. Are you going to go win a race on one of these bikes? Probably not. However, if you are working with a tight budget there are some of these bikes that are very functional and ride just fine. For example, I just picked up a 1981 Miyata 610 that has stem shifters that work just fine and all of the components work quite reliably. The bike is a little on the heavy side but for a clyde like me an extra 3 pounds isn't going to slow me down any more than an extra couple of jelly donuts. My Honda Civic would probably be considered a low end car but that doesn't make it a bad car.

Now, all of that stated...there is probably a higher proportion of bikes with stem shifters and safety brake levers that actually are bad/crappy bikes so you do have to be a little more careful. You definitely have to be able to recognize the difference between a Yugo and a Honda Civic.
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Originally Posted by kpmurphy
The Zinn stuff looks awesome but is out of my range. How do you like the Windsor? The reason I am looking at the Soma is that it has a 66cm height and a longer top tube. The Windsor/Nashbar is a little shorter in both but in my limited experience it makes a difference.
The Windsor Tourist is really heavy compared to my Giant Defy Advanced. Also it doesn't shift nearly as well. But it is a strongly built bike. I use it for night riding; riding when there may be some snow and ice; and just signed up to ride it on a 250+ mile 5-day ride on the crushed limestone KATY Trail this summer. For the price, it was a bargain. The Nashbar version has better components so shifting may be greatly improved which may be worth the extra $100. Actually it may be more than $100 as Nashbar charges extra for shipping bikes while shipping is free at BD. Given that, BD would be a better deal.

If you do get such a bike, you might want to consider a Nashbar Comfort Quill Stem. It's an easy, cheap way to raise the handlebars. I bought one for my Tourist. It takes the 1" quill stem.
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"I have heard mixed reviews for bikesdirect.com and hesitate to buy from them. Does the motobecane suggested have better components than most? "

I bought a BD bikes as a donor bike, then sold the frame. (MTB). Sold the BD frame for $150 if I recall correctly, the entire project went flawlessly. It was a direct swap for me, if the sizes were off and I had to run new cables, chain, perhaps change a seatpost or something else..it wouldn't have been worth the time and expense. That said, I'd be looking for a donor bike with higher end components.

And as fettsvenska points out. Stem shifters and those suicide levers were standard on some nice bikes, but it's the exception and not the rule. My commuter has very functional old school suicide/safety levers; Shimano Dura-Ace.
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Originally Posted by kpmurphy
I have heard mixed reviews for bikesdirect.com and hesitate to buy from them. Does the motobecane suggested have better components than most?
I thought you started this thread intending to buy a BD bike. Whether you buy a BD bike and set it up to ride or buy a BD bike and swap the components over, the only difference will be frame/fork. And either way, you'll need tools and knowledge to set the bike up (or pay someone to do it).

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Suicide levers (at least in their current form) are often found on cross bikes and aren't really a sign of low end (although probably aren't a found on very high end bikes either).
Interrupter levers are nothing like suicide levers. Though the intent is similar, the execution is completely different. Interrupter levers will be found on even the highest-end CX bikes and are a function of intentded use of the bike, not level of bike.
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Thanks to everyone for their help and opinions. Anyone have a thought on the bike linked below?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI...ectorid=229466
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Originally Posted by kpmurphy
Thanks to everyone for their help and opinions. Anyone have a thought on the bike linked below?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI...ectorid=229466
Not a bad bike but with shipping the total cost is $480 and I think that is $150 to $200 too high for that bike.
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Originally Posted by fettsvenska
Not a bad bike but with shipping the total cost is $480 and I think that is $150 to $200 too high for that bike.
I agree with you. I made him some offers but he doesn't want to come down on the price. At least not yet. Was worth a shot.
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Originally Posted by CACycling
I thought you started this thread intending to buy a BD bike. Whether you buy a BD bike and set it up to ride or buy a BD bike and swap the components over, the only difference will be frame/fork. And either way, you'll need tools and knowledge to set the bike up (or pay someone to do it).



Interrupter levers are nothing like suicide levers. Though the intent is similar, the execution is completely different. Interrupter levers will be found on even the highest-end CX bikes and are a function of intentded use of the bike, not level of bike.
I had heard bad things about the frames, the components were the same as on any bike but the frames were lesser quality. This is why my first thought was to swap a different frame.

What is an interrupter lever?
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Originally Posted by kpmurphy
I had heard bad things about the frames, the components were the same as on any bike but the frames were lesser quality. This is why my first thought was to swap a different frame.

What is an interrupter lever?
I don't recall seeing too much negative on their frames and actually had one ordered for myself before the local PBS dropped their price on a Fuji Cross bike (BD person was very nice about canceling my order - I would not have a problem buying from them).

How about this option. Buy the BD bike and ride it. If you decide the frame is an issue, get another frame and move the parts (basically what you are considering now). Best case, you save the hassle of swapping components and might save a few bucks. Worst case, you will be selling a "lightly used" BD frame instead of a new BD frame and I doubt that will impact the price you get by much so overall will cost the same as you would have spent anyway. Don't see much of a down side to that.

Interrupter levers are used on the tops of drop bars to allow braking from that position (typically used on cross bikes but work well for commuter use). They "interrupt" the cable run between the regular brake levers and the caliper. When you squeeze the lever, it effectively lengthens the housing which activates the brakes. They have virtually no effect on braking from the regular levers (unlike the old suicide levers).

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I don't recall seeing too much negative on their frames and actually had one ordered for myself before the local PBS dropped their price on a Fuji Cross bike (BD person was very nice about canceling my order - I would not have a problem buying from them).
Then my second concern is the size of the frame. The motobecane vent noir looks great and has a 64cm frame, but is it really big enough? Is there a trek or other equivalent that has very close frame geometry I could try at a shop to see if it would work for me?
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Just go to any LBS and try the biggest bike they have............... then ck the size
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My Motobecane came with Vueta XRP wheels, Ritchey bars,stem, and seat post, FSA cranks, Tektro brakes
Good enough quality for what I do, I can lose 5 pound easier from my a$$ than from a bike
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Originally Posted by kpmurphy
Then my second concern is the size of the frame. The motobecane vent noir looks great and has a 64cm frame, but is it really big enough? Is there a trek or other equivalent that has very close frame geometry I could try at a shop to see if it would work for me?
Again, buying from BD to ride or to transfer to another frame, you still need to know your frame size. Personally, I do not feel it is right to use an LBS for sizing and then buying elsewhere. You may feel diferently. There are frame calculators out there to help give you an idea (don't recall which ones I've used in the past but I'm sure someone here can recommend one).
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Ignore the frame sizing on the BD site, I think you really need to figure out what size "effective top tube" you need and find that bike regardless of what size BD says it is.

This fit calculator is pretty good
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Originally Posted by CACycling
Again, buying from BD to ride or to transfer to another frame, you still need to know your frame size. Personally, I do not feel it is right to use an LBS for sizing and then buying elsewhere. You may feel diferently. There are frame calculators out there to help give you an idea (don't recall which ones I've used in the past but I'm sure someone here can recommend one).
I agree with this, I wasn't going to have them size me, I just wanted to literally sit on a modern 64cm frame.
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Originally Posted by fettsvenska
Do you mind if I ask what your budget is? That might help us in the forum to provide you with realistic recommendations. You are certainly in a bit of a predicament because even though some bikes have been made for tall riders, you are still on the far end of the distribution as I'm sure you already know. I don't know if you're interested but this frame was posted yesterday...

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ra...655556387.html/
I am interested in how this would work and what it would cost to get it tome. I do not have enough posts to PM you. Thanks.
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