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Old 03-20-13, 05:20 AM
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Wheel thread... Sorry

a wheel thread ... sorry

I was looking at Prowheel builder web site, and apparently they will ship to the AUS ( lots of places dont ) .

quickly put together a set of 700c wheels with disc breaks for an idea down the track.

FRONT WHEEL SUMMARY
Drillings
36

Rim
VELOCITY DYAD MSW 700C BLACK FRONT RIM $54.00
700c/29er
Velox for 1 wheel + $4.00

Hub
SHIMANO XT M756 SIX BOLT BLACK DISC FRONT HUB $54.00
QR 100mm

Spokes
DT SWISS CHAMPION 14 GAUGE BLACK SPOKES $1.17

Lacing Pattern
Four Cross

Nipples
DT SWISS BLACK 14G 12MM BRASS NIPPLE $0.20

Weight
1103.48 grams
Price
$163.22

REAR WHEEL SUMMARY
Drillings
36

Rim
VELOCITY DYAD MSW 700C BLACK REAR RIM $54.00
700c/29er
Velox for 1 wheel + $4.00
Hub

SHIMANO XT M756 SIX BOLT BLACK DISC REAR HUB $66.00
QR 135mm
Shimano/SRAM 8,9 or 10spd

Spokes
DT SWISS CHAMPION 14 GAUGE BLACK SPOKES $1.17

Lacing Pattern
Four Cross

Nipples
DT SWISS BLACK 14G 12MM BRASS NIPPLE $0.20
Weight
1297.48 grams
Price
$173.32


Bit of a mess to read sorry, The idea is for a commute and short touring bike, i am 130kg

Thoughts ?

Input welcome on the wheels and the company
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"Brakes".

What are you asking? Will the wheel hold up to 130 kg? Yes, if spokes are properly tensioned. Four-cross might be overkill. Remember to "ride light".
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At your weight, I'd go to the Velocity Synergy OC for the rear.
The spoke bed is offset 4MM to allow a better spoke bracing angle.

With your current rear selection, the NDS will have about 58% of the DS spoke tension. That's pretty low.
With the 4mm offset, NDS spoke tension is about 80%. MUCH better.
Of course, that pretty much requires the Synergy "standard" rim up front to "match".

Silver spokes are likely less $.
3X should be totally fine.

IF I were to build the wheel for max reliability, I'd use 14 gauge spokes DS & 14/15/14 on the NDS.
That would mean spokes on both sides would be under similar elongation when tensioned, since the cross sectional area of the butted spoke is 81% of the non butted. (Actually, I'd use 13/14 single butted DS, but availability is problematic)
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what kinda bike? 700c on MTB hubs? hybrid? Is your rear spacing 135mm?
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Also look at Universal Cycles. I am getting a set of bombproof disc brake wheels today from them. H Plus Son formation face rims with SRAM X7 hubs, standard straight gauge DT Swiss spokes and brass nipples. They are 32H three cross front and rear. The price was very good, better than prowheelbuilder.
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Originally Posted by jyl View Post
"Brakes".

What are you asking? Will the wheel hold up to 130 kg? Yes, if spokes are properly tensioned. Four-cross might be overkill. Remember to "ride light".
I have no idea why my Auto correct thinks i need to break more than Brake !! Also there is no such thing as over kill , There is only "open fire" and i need to reload !!

Originally Posted by Bill Kapaun View Post
At your weight, I'd go to the Velocity Synergy OC for the rear.
The spoke bed is offset 4MM to allow a better spoke bracing angle.

With your current rear selection, the NDS will have about 58% of the DS spoke tension. That's pretty low.
With the 4mm offset, NDS spoke tension is about 80%. MUCH better.
Of course, that pretty much requires the Synergy "standard" rim up front to "match".

Silver spokes are likely less $.
3X should be totally fine.

IF I were to build the wheel for max reliability, I'd use 14 gauge spokes DS & 14/15/14 on the NDS.
That would mean spokes on both sides would be under similar elongation when tensioned, since the cross sectional area of the butted spoke is 81% of the non butted. (Actually, I'd use 13/14 single butted DS, but availability is problematic)
The frame will be a dark colour , so i just picked the dark colour spokes .

I will have a look today at the Synergy Rims, and see if they have them or somewhere else , Thanks !!

Originally Posted by jsigone View Post
what kinda bike? 700c on MTB hubs? hybrid? Is your rear spacing 135mm?
700c the frame has Disc Mounts and 135mm spacing for the rear . This is all in thoery still . especial as i am working on a different bike ... have you tried to convince you partner/GF that you should be allowed more space for bikes !!



Originally Posted by slowride454 View Post
Also look at Universal Cycles. I am getting a set of bombproof disc brake wheels today from them. H Plus Son formation face rims with SRAM X7 hubs, standard straight gauge DT Swiss spokes and brass nipples. They are 32H three cross front and rear. The price was very good, better than prowheelbuilder.
Off to look at them

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I don't think you ever have to apologize for wheel threads in the clyde forum. It's half of what this forum is about. Weight loss being the other half:-)

It sounds like your hypothetical build isn't far off one I've been contemplating lately. Mine has been for an all weather, disc braked, road/cx bike capable of handling at least 28mm tires and full fenders.

I agree that 4X may be unneccassary. The Dyads are both wider and deeper than the Synergy's. Subsequently they may be a stiffer rim and may offset the advantages of the OC drilling of the Synergy rear. You would have to talk to someone who has built with both or Velocity to get a reliable answer. Another rim to consider in that general class would be the HED c2 Belgium. Any of those would be acceptable to me for such a bike. With regard to spokes: front 14/15db, rear 14ss or 13/14sb drive side and 14/15db non drive side would be my preference, brass nipples and I probably would opt for standard stainless unless there was a compelling reason for the black.

Before you get too excited about Prowheelbuilder's willingness to ship to AUS check their shipping charges. When I was trying to get rims sent to NZ, the shipping charges were prohibitive. I ended up using European distributors instead. International shipping out of the US seems to be stupid expensive in most cases.
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Originally Posted by bigfred View Post
I don't think you ever have to apologize for wheel threads in the clyde forum. It's half of what this forum is about. Weight loss being the other half:-)

It sounds like your hypothetical build isn't far off one I've been contemplating lately. Mine has been for an all weather, disc braked, road/cx bike capable of handling at least 28mm tires and full fenders.

I agree that 4X may be unneccassary. The Dyads are both wider and deeper than the Synergy's. Subsequently they may be a stiffer rim and may offset the advantages of the OC drilling of the Synergy rear. You would have to talk to someone who has built with both or Velocity to get a reliable answer. Another rim to consider in that general class would be the HED c2 Belgium. Any of those would be acceptable to me for such a bike. With regard to spokes: front 14/15db, rear 14ss or 13/14sb drive side and 14/15db non drive side would be my preference, brass nipples and I probably would opt for standard stainless unless there was a compelling reason for the black.

Before you get too excited about Prowheelbuilder's willingness to ship to AUS check their shipping charges. When I was trying to get rims sent to NZ, the shipping charges were prohibitive. I ended up using European distributors instead. International shipping out of the US seems to be stupid expensive in most cases.
Yea shipping cost !!! . It is strange how a UK company can sent you something for 30 bucks but the US want to charge you 100 for something smaller

At the moment i am primarily running though ideas to see what sticks . What started this was/is
http://www.jensonusa.com/!asKasGBwMU...FQocpQodLgMAMw

Who will apparently ship that frame to Australia for 70 bucks ... seems a bit strange . I sent them an email to confirm . Failing that Wiggles will ship the non disc one for 60 .


It is just a vague idea atm , something which i have to put together in my head and then present my case to the war/finance minster

There is a few Local places that will build a nice set of wheels, but i would like to go to them with a outline of what i want ... not just a vague idea .

I am of two minds,
A) give money to the local shop and support them
B) some of them charge to dam much !!

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Originally Posted by tergal View Post
Yea shipping cost !!! . It is strange how a UK company can sent you something for 30 bucks but the US want to charge you 100 for something smaller

At the moment i am primarily running though ideas to see what sticks . What started this was/is
http://www.jensonusa.com/!asKasGBwMU...FQocpQodLgMAMw

Who will apparently ship that frame to Australia for 70 bucks ... seems a bit strange . I sent them an email to confirm . Failing that Wiggles will ship the non disc one for 60 .


It is just a vague idea atm , something which i have to put together in my head and then present my case to the war/finance minster

There is a few Local places that will build a nice set of wheels, but i would like to go to them with a outline of what i want ... not just a vague idea .

I am of two minds,
A) give money to the local shop and support them
B) some of them charge to dam much !!
Check out the curent frame clearances from Evans, PBK and Chainreaction. There are a few road or cx disc option as the moment. Chainreaction has Prolites from around $330nzd (minus fork).

My starting point would be, if I could find a decent deal on one, a 60cm Ridley X-ride disc frameset. After reading a Leonard Zinn review of current disc CX bikes, I realized seatstay mounting tabs may be preferable for myself. Leonard mentioned having heal clearance issues with the chainstay mounted ones and his feet aren't as large as mine (51). Combine that with the fact that I would like to run long cranks and I suspect I will need seatstay mounts. The biggest selling feature to me of the Ridley over other options is that it has a realatively high, euro style, bottom bracket. Thereby, providing clearance to possibly run some longer cranks, 190 or 195's.

My finance department doesn't need any convincing. She got a Colnago for Christmas '11. It's my turn:-)

On the local vs mail order. My mind was made up for me when I was trying to build my last set of wheels and I was getting quoted $240nzd !!!PER RIM!!! while I could order those same rims from Chainreaction for $83nzd each (with free shipping on orders over $200). Do I need say any more?
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Originally Posted by bigfred View Post
Check out the curent frame clearances from Evans, PBK and Chainreaction. There are a few road or cx disc option as the moment. Chainreaction has Prolites from around $330nzd (minus fork).

My starting point would be, if I could find a decent deal on one, a 60cm Ridley X-ride disc frameset. After reading a Leonard Zinn review of current disc CX bikes, I realized seatstay mounting tabs may be preferable for myself. Leonard mentioned having heal clearance issues with the chainstay mounted ones and his feet aren't as large as mine (51). Combine that with the fact that I would like to run long cranks and I suspect I will need seatstay mounts. The biggest selling feature to me of the Ridley over other options is that it has a realatively high, euro style, bottom bracket. Thereby, providing clearance to possibly run some longer cranks, 190 or 195's.

My finance department doesn't need any convincing. She got a Colnago for Christmas '11. It's my turn:-)

On the local vs mail order. My mind was made up for me when I was trying to build my last set of wheels and I was getting quoted $240nzd !!!PER RIM!!! while I could order those same rims from Chainreaction for $83nzd each (with free shipping on orders over $200). Do I need say any more?
That is just silly pricing on the Rims, my Finance department does not ride bikes but i did just do a heap of work on her car

I must admit when it comes to frames/forks i think i may have a thing for surly's i am around the 6"6 mark height wise so i tend to look for long and tall frames made out of steel .

Will ask a local store and see what they say about the Dyad/Synergy, and i will keep hinting at that frame to my better half .


What Type/model of shoe do you wear ? i am a 50/51 and i hate finding cycling shoes
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If you're going to use disc brakes, why not get non-machined sidewalls?
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Originally Posted by tergal View Post
That is just silly pricing on the Rims, my Finance department does not ride bikes but i did just do a heap of work on her car

I must admit when it comes to frames/forks i think i may have a thing for surly's i am around the 6"6 mark height wise so i tend to look for long and tall frames made out of steel .

Will ask a local store and see what they say about the Dyad/Synergy, and i will keep hinting at that frame to my better half .


What Type/model of shoe do you wear ? i am a 50/51 and i hate finding cycling shoes
At 6'5" I understand "long and tall". But, I don't share any great desire for steel over other materials.

I've got both Shimano and Sidi (non-mega) in 51. The difference in fit is negligible.
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If you're going to use disc brakes, why not get non-machined sidewalls?
I picked the rims more based on their strength/availability than other features
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At 6'5" I understand "long and tall". But, I don't share any great desire for steel over other materials.

I've got both Shimano and Sidi (non-mega) in 51. The difference in fit is negligible.
To be honest it is purely a mental/preference thing, i know logically that other materials work just as well and better ... but i am allowed my quirks

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If you're going to use disc brakes, why not get non-machined sidewalls?
You raise a good question and one I've been looking at myself.

At this stage in the game, you pretty much limit yourself to considering 29'er rims if you want unmachined sidewalls. Most of the road rims will have some sort of brake track. There will be increasing options of exactly this sort of rim over the next couple seasons as disc braked road and cx bikes become more popular. But, for the moment, pickings are slim.

In another thread I heard a rumor about HED doing an unmachined c2 Belgium, but, can't find any other mention of it on their site or the web in general. Stans is producing the rim for their disc braked Ironcross wheels. And, Stan's would be another good source for rims for this type of build. I'm sure there are a couple others.
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But is there any disadvantage to having a machined rim if you aren't using it ?
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Of course check up on the shipping cost to check out the overall cost, but a little note is that PWB and also Velomine are regularly recommended on Aussie forums. My reading of that is their cost plus shipping is quite competitive, especially considering the value of the Aussie dollar atm. Have a look at Velomine to compare, but also keep an eye out for other places on sale.
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Of course check up on the shipping cost to check out the overall cost, but a little note is that PWB and also Velomine are regularly recommended on Aussie forums. My reading of that is their cost plus shipping is quite competitive, especially considering the value of the Aussie dollar atm. Have a look at Velomine to compare, but also keep an eye out for other places on sale.
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Cheers i will check our Velomine tomorrow .... i love new internet stores to look at parts
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