Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg)
Reload this Page >

Why do my cones and bearings loosen on the real wheel?

Notices
Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) Looking to lose that spare tire? Ideal weight 200+? Frustrated being a large cyclist in a sport geared for the ultra-light? Learn about the bikes and parts that can take the abuse of a heavier cyclist, how to keep your body going while losing the weight, and get support from others who've been successful.

Why do my cones and bearings loosen on the real wheel?

Old 11-07-13, 01:36 PM
  #1  
Pico Triano
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Pico Triano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: North of Sackville, NB
Posts: 57

Bikes: Bargain Walmart Bike, Nishiki Landau

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Why do my cones and bearings loosen on the real wheel?

I'm aware that my cheap rear wheel on my Walmart bike isn't built to handle my weight. I am going to have to get a better back wheel if I'm going to continue kicking around on this bike. I think I've rebuilt that hub at least half a dozen times and tightened it up I don't know how many times. No matter how carefully I adjust it, after a couple weeks of riding there's some play in the hub. If I don't address the problem not only does it get worse but the bearings and cones will start chewing themselves up. I don't get it. Everything is properly adjusted and locked in place. I don't understand why it keeps happening.

Before you question my bike mechanic credentials. I have the same style rear hub on my Nishiki Landau. I know the hub is made better. You can tell just by giving the wheel a spin. The Walmart gear cluster will not stay perfectly in the same plane while the Nishiki will. 35,000 km on the Nishiki and I've never had a problem with the hub loosening up. Same mechanic. Same axle kit.

When I have the cash I'm going to upgrade my rear wheel. Outside of that rear hub that cheap bike has been serving me well.
Pico Triano is offline  
Old 11-08-13, 08:38 AM
  #2  
JerrySTL
Senior Member
 
JerrySTL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Near St. Louis, Missouri
Posts: 1,467

Bikes: Giant Defy Advanced, Breezer Doppler Team, Schwinn Twinn Tandem, Windsor Tourist, 1954 JC Higgens

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 34 Post(s)
Liked 8 Times in 6 Posts
Below is an image taken from the late, great Sheldon Brown's web page. Notice that besides the cones, there are spacers/washers and lock nuts. I've seen cheaper hubs missing spacer/washers and lock nuts. Is this the case on your bike? Note that this shows the axle for a bike with quick releases. If your bike has a locking nut to hold on the wheel, it should have another nut on both sides.



Another problem would be making sure that you've tightened down the lock nut firmly. It often takes special, thin wrenches to hold the cone while tightening down the lock nut. Note: the hub should be a tiny bit loose when adjusted properly and not installed on the bike. The quick release tends to tighten down the bearings some.

If all that doesn't help, a new or good, used wheel may be the answer. Do yourself a favor and get one with a quick release. Makes changing flat tires so much easier.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
axle-set.jpg (52.6 KB, 17 views)
JerrySTL is offline  
Old 11-08-13, 11:40 AM
  #3  
Bill Kapaun
Really Old Senior Member
 
Bill Kapaun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Mid Willamette Valley, Orygun
Posts: 12,778

Bikes: 87 RockHopper,2008 Specialized Globe. Both upgraded to 9 speeds.

Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1371 Post(s)
Liked 603 Times in 451 Posts
Do you have a bent axle?
Bill Kapaun is offline  
Old 11-08-13, 11:56 AM
  #4  
fietsbob
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NW,Oregon Coast
Posts: 43,599

Bikes: 8

Mentioned: 197 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7607 Post(s)
Liked 1,322 Times in 832 Posts
axle might be broken
NB in jerry pasted picture it's flipped the right is longer between the bearing race and the axle end,
that is under the Freewheel.
that leverage, as you ride, flexes the axle, to failure after a while.
fietsbob is offline  
Old 11-08-13, 01:25 PM
  #5  
Road Hog
Junior Member
 
Road Hog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Antelope, CA
Posts: 12

Bikes: 2006 Schwinn Fastback 27

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
On cheap wheels i have seen the cups not being parallel to each other. this could be the cause of the wheel not turning smooth. it doesn't take much.
Road Hog is offline  
Old 11-08-13, 02:01 PM
  #6  
skilsaw
Senior Member
 
skilsaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada
Posts: 1,541

Bikes: Cannondale t1, Koga-Miyata World Traveller

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Somebody mentioned getting a used wheel.
A low budget new wheel will be about $50.
I'd go with a new wheel so you're not inhereting somebody elses problems.
That's a pretty expensive repair for a wallmart bike.

I've had a similar problem. As mentioned previously, getting the lock nuts tight with proper thin cone wrenches was the answer.
skilsaw is offline  
Old 11-09-13, 07:28 AM
  #7  
daviddavieboy 
Senior Member
 
daviddavieboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Great White North
Posts: 807

Bikes: Yeah, I have some.

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 282 Post(s)
Liked 90 Times in 48 Posts
I built a wheel for a gary fisher I had in 89', Shimano deore XT hub and araya RM-20 rims. Other that some broken spokes and occasionally needing to be trued and serviced they have been great.
They have been on a fisher hardtail (bent frame and fork), a cannondale soft tail(bent rear swingarm) and now still on my 97' dale hard tail.
I have been over 220lbs from around 1984 and in those days really trashed my bikes. That being said the only off road use in the last 12 years have been fireroads and tame trails (tore knee out in snowmobile accident), most of my riding is quite smooth.

go with quality over cheap, it pays in the long run.

Last edited by daviddavieboy; 11-09-13 at 07:33 AM. Reason: added thought
daviddavieboy is offline  
Old 11-12-13, 06:26 PM
  #8  
Pico Triano
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Pico Triano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: North of Sackville, NB
Posts: 57

Bikes: Bargain Walmart Bike, Nishiki Landau

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanks for the replies folks. Sorry I didn't get back to this until today.

The axle was checked for being straight. I did have access to complete bicycle workshop at La Bikery in Moncton at the time. I had access to proper cone wrenches and had a certified bike mechanic check my work. All the proper parts were there.

I think Road Hog may be on to something. It is possible that the bearing cups aren't perfectly parallel. That's something I hadn't thought of.

I know because of my weight there is extra stress on the axle. That can't be the whole answer though. The same quality axle didn't lead to that in a similar but better quality hub.

Long term I'm getting a better quality rear wheel. Outside of that and a stripped freewheel this cheap bike has held up really well.
Pico Triano is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Hardrock23
Bicycle Mechanics
4
05-29-16 07:31 PM
seans_potato_business
Bicycle Mechanics
6
11-29-13 05:09 PM
koolerb
Bicycle Mechanics
13
10-22-12 04:52 PM
RhodeRunner
Bicycle Mechanics
3
04-02-11 12:16 PM
LapinAgile
Bicycle Mechanics
9
01-02-11 08:41 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.