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I want 105s or better. I want endurance/relaxed fit. I don't really care on compact or triple as long as I have the low gears to get up a hill. I want very good brakes- it is hilly here so I need the brakes to work well going down a hill. I want to keep everything all in (include all peddles, cages, etc) under $2k and the lower the better.

1. Trek Lexa SLX- $1450 with a triple and $100 off accessories (also identical in a compact is available)

2. Trek Domane WSD 4.3- $1999 with a triple and $100 off accessories (this pushes my limit- do you think the extra dollars are worth it?)

3. Giant Avail Comp 2- $1300 with a compact

The Domane and Avail are the last two in stock in my size so once they go I am SOL. I was trying to wait until later in the fall to purchase but I am now worried all the 2014s in my size will be gone and I will be having to get the higher priced 2015 versions, and many of them will be out of my price range....Am I being irrational?
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Have you ridden any of them? If so, what did you like the best?
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I have ridden them all. I can't really feel much of a difference. I am going to try to ride them back to back to back to see if that helps. I am new to this, so I don't really know what the "right feeling" is. I knocked some others off the list because they felt awkward, but these 3 remain....
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If you can't feel much of a difference then get the prettiest one, or whatever makes you want to go ride a ton.

The Giant... is that the composite 2? $1300 seems awfully cheap for a carbon fiber bike with 105...
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those look like good bikes
any of them would be great
id get the giant
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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse
If you can't feel much of a difference then get the prettiest one, or whatever makes you want to go ride a ton.

The Giant... is that the composite 2? $1300 seems awfully cheap for a carbon fiber bike with 105...
It is says it is composite, which I thought meant carbon. It is marked down from $1850....
Avail Composite 2 (2014) | Giant Bicycles | United States

Does that mean the carbon is sucky and will break on me?

The Lexa isn't marked down at all. The Domane is marked down about $200. So based on MSRP the Domane would be $350 above the Avail at full price. I think the specs are almost the same on the Avail and Domane, but the Domane has the Iso decoupler. They are both carbon- Domane is 400 Series and Avail is Giant Composite. The shifters and derrailleurs are 105s on both. There is a difference in the Brakes as the Domane as 105 and the Giant has R561 (no idea what the difference is between those. Domane is a triple and Avail is a compact but they have the same cassette.
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Wow, that's a nice discount. And no, carbon is not sucky and won't break on you, just take care of it like you would any other bike and you should get many miles of riding enjoyment.

I know you said "hills" but different people have different ideas of what constitutes a hill. If the cassette is the same on both (which is what?) then it's likely the triple will have a "lower" low gear. You can remedy that by asking for a different cassette when you buy the bike - they should let you swap them out. Even if they don't, cassettes are consumable anyway if you ride enough and they're not terribly expensive either.

If you can't really tell the difference between them then the rather sizeable savings of the Giant would have me leaning that way. Giant is a terrific brand and you can buy a HECK of a lot of accessories for the $700 saved. Or go on a riding vacation.
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carbon and 105 is almost unheard of from the big brands at $1300. If you can't feel the diff between the Giant and the Domane, get the Giant hand down. Roll the extra cash into a sweet set of custom wheels on White Industry/CK hubs starting in the low $500s or get a few really nice sets of bibs, jerseys and shoes (aka stuff that you will be comfy in and want to ride more).

Ultegra brakes are about $100-130 and should be plenty of stopping power over the OEM/tektro brakes. But most of the time the OEM/tektro pads are junk so spend $20-30 on upgrades there if you're oppose to spending $100+ I love these for my alum rims SwissStop BXP Flash Pads Road for Aluminum Rims from BikeBling.com
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Last year I talked a friend into purchasing the Domane 4.5 (with Ultegra). She kindof whined and complained about the price (on sale about $2000) but has been really happy since - the bike is very comfortable, rides well and can easily be upgraded. The Lexa, to me its a really low end bike but many women like it... Giant has a good reputation so you can't go wrong there either.

You can get into all sorts of debates about the compact and a triple... if you are just starting out and don't know the difference, than get the compact - for me, won't ride without a triple - I know how to use all the gearing and do when necessary.

Prices for carbon bikes really amaze me... for instance Santa Cruz is now selling carbon "up or down" version of its mountain bikes. In other words theyt sell a "good" carbon and "cheap" carbon. For $1300 know its the cheap carbon... will it last? Should if you take care of the bike and treat it nicely. Just watch for cracks etc which should be covered under warranty anyway...
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If you're neutral in the double vs triple debate, and all three are comfortable for you, that's one heck of a deal on the Giant.
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Also Callie do you need a WSD bike? If the gender neutral bikes fit you better or as well, then you might get a better deal on one either now or alittle later. You should only be looking at WSD bikes if 1) your legs and arms are proportionally longer than your torso and 2) you need narrower handlebars and a shorter top tube. I actually fit a regular bike well but since I am inbetween can go either way... My one beef with WSD bikes, manufacturers think women don't understand or know components so those bikes are usually set up "cheaper"... and I admit, colors are girlier...

I assume you also looked at the Trek Madone?
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Originally Posted by Pamestique
Also Callie do you need a WSD bike? If the gender neutral bikes fit you better or as well, then you might get a better deal on one either now or alittle later. You should only be looking at WSD bikes if 1) your legs and arms are proportionally longer than your torso and 2) you need narrower handlebars and a shorter top tube. I actually fit a regular bike well but since I am inbetween can go either way... My one beef with WSD bikes, manufacturers think women don't understand or know components so those bikes are usually set up "cheaper"... and I admit, colors are girlier...

I assume you also looked at the Trek Madone?
I "looked" at the Madone but didn't ride it. I wanted something more relaxed than aggressive as I am used to riding a hybrid. Do you not think the Madone would be too aggressive of a set up for me?

I do have longer legs and arms than my torso- possibly bordering on abnormal. I have ridden men's and women's in my trials.

I was going to wait until the September, but then I worry they won't have any bikes in my size left. Is that just the sales guys pushing me by saying "it is the last one in stock"? Or is that real? It is hard for me to tell, because unlike at a car dealership where I can actually see the inventory on hand, I can't with the bikes. For all I know they have a stash in a warehouse somewhere and only put one bike in the store in that size at a time.

Honestly I wouldn't be rushing it now, except I feel like that Giant deal is a good one- a mark down of 30% from 1850 to 1300....
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Just one factory makes them.. all 3 .. a very big factory,

this town has no Giant brand dealer , but does for Trek and several others..

Domane is racier , Lexa less so , hit the shops for a test ride..

the FX series is more relaxed , it omits the race bars entirely ..

the 520 is less racy and still has drop bars..

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I was going to wait until the September, but then I worry they won't have any bikes in my size left. Is that just the sales guys pushing me by saying "it is the last one in stock"? Or is that real? It is hard for me to tell, because unlike at a car dealership where I can actually see the inventory on hand, I can't with the bikes. For all I know they have a stash in a warehouse somewhere and only put one bike in the store in that size at a time.

Honestly I wouldn't be rushing it now, except I feel like that Giant deal is a good one- a mark down of 30% from 1850 to 1300....
two sided coin waiting til Interbike in Vegas to reveal all of the 2015 bikes that will be trickling in around late Sept and Oct. And even longer they they are hydro equipp'd

a) sales are awesome, most popular models will be down 20-40% (higher end models usually have more mark up so can be marked down allot)

b) BUT....will they have your size and preferred color?

Gotta ask yourself....How many miles/time can I put in from now til end of Sept to get the same bike? Is that worth it? I'm in San Diego so my winters are very mild and most I'd have to wear is a vest and warmers 95% of the time. Others have much colder winters. Hence that shiny new bike will be sitting there or on a trainer from late Oct to Feb/March.
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Honestly I wouldn't be rushing it now, except I feel like that Giant deal is a good one- a mark down of 30% from 1850 to 1300....
Whoa! Slow down and take a breath. There, that's better.

Uh, watcha riding now, and what is wrong that you want to upgrade? Answering that may help you (and us) answer your questions better.

Deals come an go - there is no, "one-time forever or you lose" markdown. Just from scanning the thread, the Giant seems like an acceptable deal, and if the bike is comfortable, would be a blast to ride. The Domane with it's IsoSpeed decoupler is relatively new to Trek and I want one, but will wait for the longevity to be proven. Are you planning on riding a lot of broken pavement and cobblestones for 50 to a hundred miles a day? No? Then back to the Giant.

Use the cost difference for little things like the right tires, tweaking the rear cogs if you feel like it, saddle, shorts, buying tools and maintaining your bike the way you like... all the fun things that come after the purchase.

Triple vs Compact? Dunno, part depends on the gear ratios I guess, but will assume the 105 triple is about the same as my 5600 series 105 triple on my relaxed-geometry Trek Pilot 2.1. I use the granny gears going up hills, the large chainring going down, and the middle chainring most of the other times. (I guess I would be a "B" class rider, certainly not a "B+") I have a triple not by planning but because it was on my bike when I bought it.
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Whoa! Slow down and take a breath. There, that's better.

Uh, watcha riding now, and what is wrong that you want to upgrade? Answering that may help you (and us) answer your questions better.

Deals come an go - there is no, "one-time forever or you lose" markdown. Just from scanning the thread, the Giant seems like an acceptable deal, and if the bike is comfortable, would be a blast to ride. The Domane with it's IsoSpeed decoupler is relatively new to Trek and I want one, but will wait for the longevity to be proven. Are you planning on riding a lot of broken pavement and cobblestones for 50 to a hundred miles a day? No? Then back to the Giant.

Use the cost difference for little things like the right tires, tweaking the rear cogs if you feel like it, saddle, shorts, buying tools and maintaining your bike the way you like... all the fun things that come after the purchase.

Triple vs Compact? Dunno, part depends on the gear ratios I guess, but will assume the 105 triple is about the same as my 5600 series 105 triple on my relaxed-geometry Trek Pilot 2.1. I use the granny gears going up hills, the large chainring going down, and the middle chainring most of the other times. (I guess I would be a "B" class rider, certainly not a "B+") I have a triple not by planning but because it was on my bike when I bought it.
I ride a Jamis Coda Sport right now. I like it. I just want to go further, longer and faster so wanted to move to a road bike at end of the summer. I live in San Jose so I can ride late into fall and early in spring. I just started looking. I want to get as much as I can for my money. So that was why I suddenly was thinking I need to buy now to get the sales price.
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Originally Posted by calliebear9
I have ridden them all. I can't really feel much of a difference. I am going to try to ride them back to back to back to see if that helps. I am new to this, so I don't really know what the "right feeling" is. I knocked some others off the list because they felt awkward, but these 3 remain....
I wrote a long post about what I look for during a test-ride.

If you can't feel much of a difference between the Trek Domane and the other bikes, I wouldn't pay more for the Domane. The Giant Avail Comp 2 certainly looks like a good bargain... if it fits you. Looks like there are some geometry differences between the Giant and the Trek bikes. Not sure which size you're buying, but it looks like the Giant generally has a longer head tube than a similarly-sized Trek which will give you a more upright seating position. That could be good or bad, depending on your perspective. On the other hand, Trek offers more sizes of bikes which might make fitting easier.

I wouldn't worry about the differences in brakes. Replace the stock brake pads with Kool Stop pads and any name-brand brake caliper will stop well.
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Originally Posted by calliebear9
I was going to wait until the September, but then I worry they won't have any bikes in my size left. Is that just the sales guys pushing me by saying "it is the last one in stock"? Or is that real? It is hard for me to tell, because unlike at a car dealership where I can actually see the inventory on hand, I can't with the bikes. For all I know they have a stash in a warehouse somewhere and only put one bike in the store in that size at a time.

Honestly I wouldn't be rushing it now, except I feel like that Giant deal is a good one- a mark down of 30% from 1850 to 1300....
So here's the deal... shops have to purchase the bikes they sell... so generally they carry only a few, as much as they can financially afford to carry. If the shop you are dealing is not a larger chain (where they might carry inventory in other stores) it's possible their stock is limited. Ask them to check the inventory and tell you exactly how many bikes, in your size, is available. The bikes are still out there - at other shops or on the internet. But August/September is considered to be "year-end" for bike sales, 2015 stock is now showing up on the internet and I'm sure in stores as well. You can try and wait to get a better price or you can try and negotiate with the shop. While they may not be able to drop the price all that much they may be willing to throw in upgrades or equipment such as pedals and a saddle. Even when I buy online, I get the dealer to throw in these items. When Speedgoat was around I got them to switch out the headset to Chris King and add time pedals, all at no charge to me.

As to the Madone v. Domane.... With a riser stem you can change the geometry of the Madone - check out the Madone WSD which has a shorter top tube as well... you might be amaze at how well the bike works for you. I have a friend go from the comfort bike to the Madone and now would never go back. If you decide to purchase any of the bikes, make sure the shop fits you properly and changes out the stem if necessary. The stem can make or break your fit.
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One more opinion: I've ridden the Domane for a couple years and love it, but if you can't tell the difference there's no reason to spend extra on it. I have a friend with a Lexa SLX and she loves that bike also. Personally I wouldn't wait, a better deal or better bike will always be just around the corner whether you wait a month or a year. And lastly I'd go for the one I liked the most, not necessarily the best deal.
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I "looked" at the Madone but didn't ride it. I wanted something more relaxed than aggressive as I am used to riding a hybrid. Do you not think the Madone would be too aggressive of a set up for me?

I do have longer legs and arms than my torso- possibly bordering on abnormal. I have ridden men's and women's in my trials.

I was going to wait until the September, but then I worry they won't have any bikes in my size left. Is that just the sales guys pushing me by saying "it is the last one in stock"? Or is that real? It is hard for me to tell, because unlike at a car dealership where I can actually see the inventory on hand, I can't with the bikes. For all I know they have a stash in a warehouse somewhere and only put one bike in the store in that size at a time.

Honestly I wouldn't be rushing it now, except I feel like that Giant deal is a good one- a mark down of 30% from 1850 to 1300....
i went from FX hybrid to a Madone when I still weighed above 240. I have ridden several centuries. Had a fit done and found I needed wider bars than the ones it came with tho I got a men's not WSD. Also found I needed shorter stem. I want to add a Domane at some point to my bike stable.
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Also Callie do you need a WSD bike? If the gender neutral bikes fit you better or as well, then you might get a better deal on one either now or alittle later. You should only be looking at WSD bikes if 1) your legs and arms are proportionally longer than your torso and 2) you need narrower handlebars and a shorter top tube. I actually fit a regular bike well but since I am inbetween can go either way... My one beef with WSD bikes, manufacturers think women don't understand or know components so those bikes are usually set up "cheaper"... and I admit, colors are girlier...

I assume you also looked at the Trek Madone?
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(not to hijack a thread)...
But do any come with smaller sti's? My Daughter has trouble with the usual ones?
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Pam,
(not to hijack a thread)...
But do any come with smaller sti's? My Daughter has trouble with the usual ones?
Not certain what "sti" is... but generally if the bike does a fit they can trade out for someone that works...
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Originally Posted by Pamestique
Not certain what "sti" is... but generally if the bike does a fit they can trade out for someone that works...
I think sti refers to the shimano dual control levers
also called brifters or
brake shift levers
of which I believe they do make a version for smaller hands
but these may not be available on many bikes as standard equipment
so null66
ask your lbs what would be the cost to swap them onto a new bike
and give a trade in value to the stock levers
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Pam,
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But do any come with smaller sti's? My Daughter has trouble with the usual ones?
What specifically does your daughter have trouble with? My 11 yr old son seems to do OK with regular Sora shifters (the ones with the thumb button). Some of the levers can be shimmed to get the lever closer to the bar so if it's a reach problem, that can possibly be addressed.
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