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How do the Motobecane/BikesDirect bikes compare to Specialized and Trek?

Old 08-13-14, 02:32 PM
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How do the Motobecane/BikesDirect bikes compare to Specialized and Trek?

Looking at the bikesdirect.com is very tempting. They are showing bikes that appear to be the equivalent to Specialized and Trek models for considerably less. They even have some options that Specialized and Trek don't offer it seems.

Talking to a Specialized/Trek dealer over the weekend, he told me that Specialized and Trek are family owned businesses that continue to innovate and make the best bikes each year.

He went on to say that a Chinese company bought the name Motobecane and just sold inferior bikes under that label similar to the Schwinn bikes that are now found in Target and Walmart.

What's the reality here? Is Specialized and Trek that much better? Is Motobecane on par? Anyone have experience with both?
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Not sure anyone can place their finger "directly" on the reality.

However, the dealer is correct. Today's Motobecane bikes are not the same as vintage Motobecanes. The name sold years ago.

Basically you're getting the Motobecane name on a mass produced frame out of Taiwan. So then (at least to me) it becomes, what kind of components am I getting for what I'm paying. A lot of times those BD bikes are nicely spec'd at a tempting price point. I was tempted myself a year ago, when I was buying my CX bike.

In the end, I purchased from an LBS, but not even a Trek or Specialized. I ended up with a Kona, and I'm very pleased with it. The tipping point was my LBS's after the sale service package. Two years, free service (and actually I just went there today for a quick check on a noise the bike was making). Plus I didn't have to assemble the bike. And I also believe highly in supporting your LBS if you have a good one worthy of supporting. I do, and I don't want it to go away, so I definitely frequent it when I can. Unfortunately it doesn't always carry the things I want/need.

Me personally, I think you'd be better off considering the smaller brands (Kona/Jamis/Salsa, etc) rather than BD, because of the LBS factor. Plus you can generally get a better spec'd bike from brands like that than comparably priced Trek/Spesh bikes (at least that's what cursory research shows me). My Kona is a mix of Ultegra and 105 and I spent less than $1K on it (worth noting it WAS the previous year's model).

BTW ... it's worth noting I own two Treks, as well as my Kona, so I'm not against Trek/Spesh. In fact when the time comes to upgrade my road bike (hopefully next year) I'll definitely consider Treks/Spesh in addition to the others.

This is ALL just my opinion ... so take it for what it's worth
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I've never owned or ridden a Trek or a Specialized. I have owned a Motobecane and I prefer my Fuji. I hope this clears everything up for you.
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With Specialized and Trek you are paying a lot for their marketing budget, support of racing teams, etc. The parts are roughly equivalent, the difference is mainly in the frame. The Bikesdirect frames won't have the most state-of-the-art tech, frame suspension type of thing like the Isospeed coupler in the Domane etc., will tend to be marginally heavier, might not have the prettiest paint job. Essentially you are buying frame tech from say 5 years ago? Still it will be a solid bike, and work perfectly fine, differences between bikes being pretty marginal as it is. Older guy in my club rides about 11k miles a year on a Motobecane Ti model, seems happy with it.

Main thing is if you are comfortable putting the bike together, or willing to pay a shop $100-125 to do it for you, and know what fits you so that you can confidently buy off of just a geometry chart and be confident it will work for you with just maybe a stem swap. Plus your resale value will be less than a better known name brand if you ever want to get rid of it.
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How much is a life time warranty worth to you?
How much is in person customer service and fitting worth to you?

Worth the extra 10-20%?

Even the playing fields and buy a 2014 bike in the months of Sept through December and they should be marked down that 10-40%. Higher end bikes have larger dollar drops than entry models. Interbike is next month is Vegas, and they will be showing/releasing all of the 2015 models and gadgets. Hence the sales.

IMO none of the moto bikes I've seen have adapted to the current "standard" of stiffer/stronger tapered headtube frames/forks nor adapted to BB30 or BB92 bottom brackets. I don't think they are on par no matter what components they hang off them. Back 5yrs + ago when the standard was still 1 1/8" forks, sure they were almost on par, but times are changing.

Great bang for buck bikes would be CAAD10/Synapse, Felt Z85, Specialized Allez with smart weld. All are worthy alum frames to hang better parts on or just ride the crap outta for many years
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BD bikes are generally great value. We've brought in 2 in the last month and we would have paid hundreds more going with a 'name' brand.

There is no surprise to what the dealer told you. And as far as the place of manufacture, the big name brand bikes are not exactly handcrafted by first-world workers with generous wages, benefits and pensions.

And does it matter that Motobecane is no relation to the storied French brand of the last century? Whatever - I rode extensively through the 70's bike boom. Almost all Motobecanes were crap then. Name/branding: a bike has no karma or soul. All you want in a bike is light, strong and cheap. Granted, the name-brand bikes will have a higher resale value. Figure that in your economics.

If you don't know what you want in a bike, including the type of bike you need, and the sizing, then the guidance of a shop is the way to go.

But if you do know, and you can deal with the 30-minute setup, then BD bikes are an outstanding value.
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I own a Motobecane Jubilee and love it. It is similar to Giant Sedona's and the like but about $150 less.

To set some things straight:

#1- Many of the big name brand bikes have frames made at the same factories as the BD frames.
#2- They are not a Chinese company, they are an American company that bought the names of several defunct bike companies.
#3- You get similar components on your BD bike as you get on the name brand bikes but they are generally 30%-50% less when figuring in taxes.
#4- BD bikes often require some tuning, so if you are not able to do that yourself it may cost $50-$60 to have your LBS do it.

IME, BD bikes are similar in quality to LBS brands but you don't get the service with it. Most LBS will tune and set the bike up for you at no additional costs and can do warranty service should any parts fail. They often also include a tune up after a few months of riding and you always have someone to bring it to if there is a problem. With BD, you are basically on your own. They will send you replacement parts if something breaks during warranty but you have to install them your self or pay someone to do it.

So, the value of a BD bike depends on if you can tune and maintain your own bikes or not. If not that 30-50% you save might end up being closer to 15-20%.

I think when I buy a new road bike I will buy from my LBS just because I think tuning, fit and setup are way more important. The Jubilee is my second bike right now so if it is down because it needs a tuning I still have something to ride. However, it came right of the box from BD shifting and braking fine and took maybe 25 minutes to put together.

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Originally Posted by Jarrett2

Talking to a Specialized/Trek dealer over the weekend, he told me that Specialized and Trek are family owned businesses that continue to innovate and make the best bikes each year.
Trek and Specialized may be owned and run by families but most of their frames are made in Taiwan.

He went on to say that a Chinese company bought the name Motobecane and just sold inferior bikes under that label similar to the Schwinn bikes that are now found in Target and Walmart.
This is wrong, the BD is an American company. The bikes are better quality than Target and Walmart Schwinns, in fact you probably won't notice a difference between a BD and most LBS bikes.

What's the reality here? Is Specialized and Trek that much better? Is Motobecane on par? Anyone have experience with both?
I have owned Trek, Specialized and Raleigh bikes and my BD bikes is as good as those. I can't speak of high end road bikes, but the Mountain/Hybrids seem to be good.
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Originally Posted by Jarrett2
Looking at the bikesdirect.com is very tempting. They are showing bikes that appear to be the equivalent to Specialized and Trek models for considerably less. They even have some options that Specialized and Trek don't offer it seems.

Talking to a Specialized/Trek dealer over the weekend, he told me that Specialized and Trek are family owned businesses that continue to innovate and make the best bikes each year.
Yay. Market-droid-speak.

He went on to say that a Chinese company bought the name Motobecane and just sold inferior bikes under that label similar to the Schwinn bikes that are now found in Target and Walmart.
He lied.

As others have said, BikesDirect is a US company.

What's the reality here? Is Specialized and Trek that much better? Is Motobecane on par? Anyone have experience with both?
The reality? At any given price point, IMO you'll get a BETTER bike from BikesDirect.com. No, it won't have an "innovative" frame - it'll have a frame that would have been top-of-the-line maybe 5 years ago or so. Think you'll be able to notice any performance difference in similar Trek vs BikesDirect frames? But at the same price, the BikesDirect will have higher-level components - Ultegra instead of Tiagra, for example, or 105 instead of Sora.

What won't it have? It won't be assembled, and it'll probably need some tuneup work. Nor does it come with customer service where you can ask "How do I do this?" (in case you can't figure out the instructions and videos all over the Park Tool website....) Nor does the BikesDirect bike have decals that you'll see plastered all over Tour de France bikes.
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I think Nashbar is similar to Bikes Direct in its marketing strategy - buy overstock brand name bike frames and components (or whole bikes) and put them together. Nashbar doesn't even bother to pretend its bikes are some fancy brand - in fact, they come with no decals or markings at all. I bought a Nashbar flatbar road bike this spring and it seemed identical to my friend's Trek 7.2 for about $250 $300 less. It's a fine bike, but the problem is you can't test ride them. The Nashbar rides just like the Trek - dull. It was like driving a min-van. I replaced it with a Giant Escape 1 that I bought at a LBS.
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Originally Posted by jsigone
IMO none of the moto bikes I've seen have adapted to the current "standard" of stiffer/stronger tapered headtube frames/forks nor adapted to BB30 or BB92 bottom brackets. I don't think they are on par no matter what components they hang off them. Back 5yrs + ago when the standard was still 1 1/8" forks, sure they were almost on par, but times are changing.
Good point. The big brand bike manufacturers over the last 10 years have released a flood of disparite and incompatible headset and bottom bracket 'standards'. For BBs this includes BB30, BB90, BB86, BB92, BBRight to add to English, Italian etc. This has further spawned a variety of converters and misery as owners try to figure out the creaking and lateral play that comes with these kludge solutions.

The reason for all of this chaos is to lock consumers into particular (their) bottom bracket and crankset, and most importantly: to ensure that the customer has to (no option) return to the authorized dealer for service. I have had several high-end shop owners tell me that the sale of the bike provides little markup - the ongoing service "relationship" is where the margins are.

So the key advantage of the Bikes Direct purchase is that these come with standard bottom bracket and headset interfaces, so you can get them serviced widely, and avail yourself of much cheaper replacement parts and service.

As far as any performance advantage with the new 'standards' - there are none. The difference in 'stiffness' between the old square taper standard and any of the new 'standards' is imperceptable. Worldwide, 99% of all new bikes sold still come with square taper BBs and cranksets, But at the very high-end, the square-taper standard was replaced only because it wasn't new and sexy, and so it didn't help sell new stuff.

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Originally Posted by Jarrett2
What's the reality here? Is Specialized and Trek that much better? Is Motobecane on par? Anyone have experience with both?
I have a good friend who bought a Motobecane cyclocross bike from BikesDirect. I own a high-end full-suspension mountain bike from Specialized and ride a Cervelo RS road bike. I've also had the opportunity to test-ride quite a few high-end Specialized road bikes over the last few years.

My friend's cyclocross bike arrived in a timely fashion and was easy to put together. We made sure that all of the components that needed grease had been greased. Wheels were reasonably true, but not perfect, out of the box. Customer service was good: he broke a shifter, which was probably his fault, and BikesDirect quickly sent him a replacement. My friend felt the bike was a good value.

The thing to realize about BikesDirect is that their bikes are a trade-off. Yes, you're paying less money for them. In general you get a bit less, too. They have a habit, for example, of advertising a bike as using a specific component group (ex: "105", "Ultegra") but if you look at the detailed specs you'll see that they tend use cheap Tektro brakes, less-expensive FSA cranks, and other components (bars, stem, headset, bottom bracket, seatpost, saddle, wheels, tires, chain) are generally of lower, though decent, quality. They buy mass-produced frames, which are likely to be of decent quality but are unlikely to be innovative. You aren't, for example, going to find the latest wind tunnel-tested aero frame available from BikesDirect. Nor will you find the latest electronic-shifting drive-trains. In terms of "fit and finish", I tend to think that BikesDirect is a step behind Trek, Specialized, Fuji, Cannondale, Cervelo and the other "big name" brands. Again, that's not to say that BD bikes are bad, just that they're not quite as good as the top brands.

The biggest problem with BikesDirect is that you can't ride the bike before you buy. Refunds and exchanges are possible, but expensive due to the shipping costs involved. You need to have a very good idea of what size bike you need, what geometry fits your riding style, and which frame materials you prefer before buying from BikesDirect. If you don't have a good idea of the size and geometry of bike that works for you, then purchasing from BikesDirect is probably a mistake.

From what I've heard, service can be a bit hit-or-miss with BikesDirect. My buddy didn't have any problems, but if you go looking you can certainly find quite a few BikesDirect horror stories posted around the Internet. Are they true? Who knows? Ultimately, I think you have to be resigned to the fact that there isn't much BD can do to help diagnose and fix problems over the phone or via email. If you're comfortable working on your own bikes, this won't be a problem. If you're not a mechanic and have issues, you may find yourself forced to pay a local shop to diagnose and correct a problem should one arise.
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+1 for BikesDirect from me.

A couple of years ago I wanted MTB for some trail riding. I wanted certain components on the bike (Rock Shox forks etc) and the LBS price was well north of $1200 for a bike I wanted. I purchased a Motobecane, mid-level components, MTB from BD and love it. I have many miles on the bike and its held up to my 290lbs without a glitch. Biggest issue was a series of punctures last year but it was fall and those annoying fall thorns covered the trails. The bike has 30-speed shimano and hasnt skipped a beat.

I do like to do my own bike maintenance and so that helped me assemble the bike easily on arrival. However, assembly certainly wasn't difficult and the bike arrived in great condition.

I estimate I saved $500+ going the BD route.

PS - I also have a $2500 Specialized bike that is as good as my $700 BD bike - did I mention is cost $2500 ?

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Originally Posted by sstorkel
I have a good friend who bought a Motobecane cyclocross bike from BikesDirect. I own a high-end full-suspension mountain bike from Specialized and ride a Cervelo RS road bike. I've also had the opportunity to test-ride quite a few high-end Specialized road bikes over the last few years.

My friend's cyclocross bike arrived in a timely fashion and was easy to put together. We made sure that all of the components that needed grease had been greased. Wheels were reasonably true, but not perfect, out of the box. Customer service was good: he broke a shifter, which was probably his fault, and BikesDirect quickly sent him a replacement. My friend felt the bike was a good value.

The thing to realize about BikesDirect is that their bikes are a trade-off. Yes, you're paying less money for them. In general you get a bit less, too. They have a habit, for example, of advertising a bike as using a specific component group (ex: "105", "Ultegra") but if you look at the detailed specs you'll see that they tend use cheap Tektro brakes, less-expensive FSA cranks, and other components (bars, stem, headset, bottom bracket, seatpost, saddle, wheels, tires, chain) are generally of lower, though decent, quality. They buy mass-produced frames, which are likely to be of decent quality but are unlikely to be innovative. You aren't, for example, going to find the latest wind tunnel-tested aero frame available from BikesDirect. Nor will you find the latest electronic-shifting drive-trains. In terms of "fit and finish", I tend to think that BikesDirect is a step behind Trek, Specialized, Fuji, Cannondale, Cervelo and the other "big name" brands. Again, that's not to say that BD bikes are bad, just that they're not quite as good as the top brands.

The biggest problem with BikesDirect is that you can't ride the bike before you buy. Refunds and exchanges are possible, but expensive due to the shipping costs involved. You need to have a very good idea of what size bike you need, what geometry fits your riding style, and which frame materials you prefer before buying from BikesDirect. If you don't have a good idea of the size and geometry of bike that works for you, then purchasing from BikesDirect is probably a mistake.

From what I've heard, service can be a bit hit-or-miss with BikesDirect. My buddy didn't have any problems, but if you go looking you can certainly find quite a few BikesDirect horror stories posted around the Internet. Are they true? Who knows? Ultimately, I think you have to be resigned to the fact that there isn't much BD can do to help diagnose and fix problems over the phone or via email. If you're comfortable working on your own bikes, this won't be a problem. If you're not a mechanic and have issues, you may find yourself forced to pay a local shop to diagnose and correct a problem should one arise.
This is a good post.

You really have to read the description. If it says 105, it probably has 105 it generally means that the derailleurs and shifters are 105 but you likely have a different crank and brake set. They use FSA crank sets and Tektro brakes a lot on the bikes but a lot of LBS bikes that cost more are using similar components on some of their bikes.

The frames are of good quality but like you said, not innovative. Many of them have geometry that was innovative 3-4 years ago but the average cyclist isn't going to notice any difference in performance. Maybe if you are competitive racer you might notice.
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Thanks for the info so far.
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Out of this list, are there some low quality parts?

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BD Titanium options are VERY well reviewed. I almost bought one because of their great reputation. If I didn't get such a great deal on my Lynskey, I would have the MB Ti Ultegra right now.
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The rims aren't stellar, but overall that's nice.

If you're gonna do CX you'll want to replace those pedals. SPD-SL are a bad choice for CX
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I'm not doing CX. I just want a more comfortable road/bad road bike. Something I can ride almost anywhere comfortably and still be able to get decent speeds when the road allows.

Specialized told me I was too heavy for their carbon bikes, so I'm looking into steel and titanium at this point. The BD Ti bikes seems like an incredible deal.
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The BD Ti bikes seems like an incredible deal.
That they are.

Happy Reading:
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[h=2]Bike Forums Message[/h] Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.



What did you search for?
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There's a gap in the market for do-it-yourself types who don't give two ****es about marketing hype. BD fills that gap. Quality frame and good components shipped to your door at a reasonable price. Game over. It's the bike shop for people who buy groceries from Aldi.

There is a very large volume of posts about BD in the road forum. Do a seach and read away.

I put 3k miles on my Motobecane Mirage Pro. $500, pedals included. It fulfilled all my needs as my starter bike and it's still in my shed ready-to-ride should I need it. I bought my current bike because it was an upgrade in every way at a price I couldn't ignore. If I was even a remotely reasonable person I would still be riding the Motobecane. I got greedy.
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Originally Posted by Jarrett2
I'm not doing CX. I just want a more comfortable road/bad road bike. Something I can ride almost anywhere comfortably and still be able to get decent speeds when the road allows.

Specialized told me I was too heavy for their carbon bikes, so I'm looking into steel and titanium at this point. The BD Ti bikes seems like an incredible deal.
I doubt you're too heavy for carbon ... however, this TI bike looks great. If you're inclined, go for it. The specs are great.
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What did you search for?
Hmmm....odd. It works great for me.

Go to the Advanced search in the top right, then Search Single Content Type, then "All Open Forums" under additional Options. Search term was Motobecane LeChampion Titanium.

Let me know if you have any problems.
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Most of the BD motobecane bikes are, IMHO, ugly. BD really need to do something about the graphics. The specs on some of the bikes sometimes put me off as well (especially the touring bikes). The bikes are a great deal and I'd buy one in spite of the third rate graphics.
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