Blending performance training and metabolic syndrome adherance doesn't jive well,,,,
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Blending performance training and metabolic syndrome adherance doesn't jive well,,,,
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So at one time I was a very fit athlete. After having some severe chronic pain/chronic structural issues that compromised my mobility for 25 years I found myself fat and obese.
That was three years ago. So,,, I started riding to get back in shape because of the low impact aspect of it all.
I am now, currently, a 260 lb 54 year old male who rides 5-6 thousand miles a summer, and could go ride a century tomorrow morning without hesitation and finish solo in 6.5 hours. I suck at climbing but can still climb 10,000 ft in one ride at elevation. https://www2.triplebypass.org/ . Colorado Death Ride
I have done well to ride pretty well for a fat old man. I have also struggled for 20 years with my weight ever since I had a double compound fracture in my tib/fib and ruptured my back in 5 places.
I have read most of the top training manuals available, read as much as can be found on the Internet about training with power/heart rate.
I have also cleaned up my diet pretty damn well. And yet I can't keep my weight down if I do lose some and most of the time I cannot loose any weight. I fluctuate from 240 to 265, I'm 6'2" and big framed. I'm only fat (mostly anyway) around my mid section. Everything else is pretty damn hard.
Along with all the training manuals I have purchased I have also bought tons of books on how to eat to overcome pre diabetes or known as metabolic syndrome and scoured the web to learn what I can in this regard as well.
The two schools do not blend what so ever!!!! I cannot be any more frustrated. You cannot follow one school of thought without totally going against the grain with the other.
I can't seem to figure what I need to do. I wish I could find a coach, or doctor with experience in coaching/teaching/training someone with this conundrum.
Have any of you overcome this de lima? Do any of you know where you could direct me???
Sick and tired of sick and tired
So at one time I was a very fit athlete. After having some severe chronic pain/chronic structural issues that compromised my mobility for 25 years I found myself fat and obese.
That was three years ago. So,,, I started riding to get back in shape because of the low impact aspect of it all.
I am now, currently, a 260 lb 54 year old male who rides 5-6 thousand miles a summer, and could go ride a century tomorrow morning without hesitation and finish solo in 6.5 hours. I suck at climbing but can still climb 10,000 ft in one ride at elevation. https://www2.triplebypass.org/ . Colorado Death Ride
I have done well to ride pretty well for a fat old man. I have also struggled for 20 years with my weight ever since I had a double compound fracture in my tib/fib and ruptured my back in 5 places.
I have read most of the top training manuals available, read as much as can be found on the Internet about training with power/heart rate.
I have also cleaned up my diet pretty damn well. And yet I can't keep my weight down if I do lose some and most of the time I cannot loose any weight. I fluctuate from 240 to 265, I'm 6'2" and big framed. I'm only fat (mostly anyway) around my mid section. Everything else is pretty damn hard.
Along with all the training manuals I have purchased I have also bought tons of books on how to eat to overcome pre diabetes or known as metabolic syndrome and scoured the web to learn what I can in this regard as well.
The two schools do not blend what so ever!!!! I cannot be any more frustrated. You cannot follow one school of thought without totally going against the grain with the other.
I can't seem to figure what I need to do. I wish I could find a coach, or doctor with experience in coaching/teaching/training someone with this conundrum.
Have any of you overcome this de lima? Do any of you know where you could direct me???
Sick and tired of sick and tired
10-15-14, 11:05 PM
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I know your frustration.
I had a very similar problem with excruciatingly slow weight loss. I am about your size (6-4, 260#) and struggled to lose weight. I ride about 150 miles a week / 4 days a week and thought I was eating well. I ride at a relatively fast pace as well. On relatively flat routes, I will average about 7 - 19 MPH for the entire ride.
I still struggle with this, but I have been able to get some results.
There are a couple of things that seem to be working for me.
1. I started using "Myfitmesspal" (Free Calorie Counter, Diet & Exercise Journal | MyFitnessPal.com). I found I was actually eating more than I realized and some small adjustments helped to get me losing wight faster. For example, I found I was consuming a lot more carbs at lunch than I realized and few simple adjustments were easy to adopt.
2. I learned that controlling calories is still the main target for weight loss. With all the cycling I was doing, it seemed that I could eat more and still lose weight. While I did lose weight, the calorie reductions were needed to make a difference in the rate of weight loss.
3. I have picked up some simple tips and used some advice from a book called "The Skinny Rules" (The Skinny Rules: The Simple, Nonnegotiable Principles for Getting to Thin - Kindle edition by Bob Harper, Greg Critser. Health, Fitness & Dieting Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com.)
4. I started pushing myself harder in rides and doing some intervals. I found this helped improve my fitness and it seemed to help with weight loss.
Hope this helps.
I had a very similar problem with excruciatingly slow weight loss. I am about your size (6-4, 260#) and struggled to lose weight. I ride about 150 miles a week / 4 days a week and thought I was eating well. I ride at a relatively fast pace as well. On relatively flat routes, I will average about 7 - 19 MPH for the entire ride.
I still struggle with this, but I have been able to get some results.
There are a couple of things that seem to be working for me.
1. I started using "Myfitmesspal" (Free Calorie Counter, Diet & Exercise Journal | MyFitnessPal.com). I found I was actually eating more than I realized and some small adjustments helped to get me losing wight faster. For example, I found I was consuming a lot more carbs at lunch than I realized and few simple adjustments were easy to adopt.
2. I learned that controlling calories is still the main target for weight loss. With all the cycling I was doing, it seemed that I could eat more and still lose weight. While I did lose weight, the calorie reductions were needed to make a difference in the rate of weight loss.
3. I have picked up some simple tips and used some advice from a book called "The Skinny Rules" (The Skinny Rules: The Simple, Nonnegotiable Principles for Getting to Thin - Kindle edition by Bob Harper, Greg Critser. Health, Fitness & Dieting Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com.)
4. I started pushing myself harder in rides and doing some intervals. I found this helped improve my fitness and it seemed to help with weight loss.
Hope this helps.
10-15-14, 11:17 PM
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I know your frustration.
I had a very similar problem with excruciatingly slow weight loss. I am about your size (6-4, 260#) and struggled to lose weight. I ride about 150 miles a week / 4 days a week and thought I was eating well. I ride at a relatively fast pace as well. On relatively flat routes, I will average about 7 - 19 MPH for the entire ride.
I still struggle with this, but I have been able to get some results.
There are a couple of things that seem to be working for me.
1. I started using "Myfitmesspal" (Free Calorie Counter, Diet & Exercise Journal | MyFitnessPal.com). I found I was actually eating more than I realized and some small adjustments helped to get me losing wight faster. For example, I found I was consuming a lot more carbs at lunch than I realized and few simple adjustments were easy to adopt.
2. I learned that controlling calories is still the main target for weight loss. With all the cycling I was doing, it seemed that I could eat more and still lose weight. While I did lose weight, the calorie reductions were needed to make a difference in the rate of weight loss.
3. I have picked up some simple tips and used some advice from a book called "The Skinny Rules" (The Skinny Rules: The Simple, Nonnegotiable Principles for Getting to Thin - Kindle edition by Bob Harper, Greg Critser. Health, Fitness & Dieting Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com.)
4. I started pushing myself harder in rides and doing some intervals. I found this helped improve my fitness and it seemed to help with weight loss.
Hope this helps.
I had a very similar problem with excruciatingly slow weight loss. I am about your size (6-4, 260#) and struggled to lose weight. I ride about 150 miles a week / 4 days a week and thought I was eating well. I ride at a relatively fast pace as well. On relatively flat routes, I will average about 7 - 19 MPH for the entire ride.
I still struggle with this, but I have been able to get some results.
There are a couple of things that seem to be working for me.
1. I started using "Myfitmesspal" (Free Calorie Counter, Diet & Exercise Journal | MyFitnessPal.com). I found I was actually eating more than I realized and some small adjustments helped to get me losing wight faster. For example, I found I was consuming a lot more carbs at lunch than I realized and few simple adjustments were easy to adopt.
2. I learned that controlling calories is still the main target for weight loss. With all the cycling I was doing, it seemed that I could eat more and still lose weight. While I did lose weight, the calorie reductions were needed to make a difference in the rate of weight loss.
3. I have picked up some simple tips and used some advice from a book called "The Skinny Rules" (The Skinny Rules: The Simple, Nonnegotiable Principles for Getting to Thin - Kindle edition by Bob Harper, Greg Critser. Health, Fitness & Dieting Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com.)
4. I started pushing myself harder in rides and doing some intervals. I found this helped improve my fitness and it seemed to help with weight loss.
Hope this helps.
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10-16-14, 06:34 AM
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I know your frustration.
I had a very similar problem with excruciatingly slow weight loss. I am about your size (6-4, 260#) and struggled to lose weight. I ride about 150 miles a week / 4 days a week and thought I was eating well. I ride at a relatively fast pace as well. On relatively flat routes, I will average about 7 - 19 MPH for the entire ride.
I still struggle with this, but I have been able to get some results.
There are a couple of things that seem to be working for me.
1. I started using "Myfitmesspal" (Free Calorie Counter, Diet & Exercise Journal | MyFitnessPal.com). I found I was actually eating more than I realized and some small adjustments helped to get me losing wight faster. For example, I found I was consuming a lot more carbs at lunch than I realized and few simple adjustments were easy to adopt.
2. I learned that controlling calories is still the main target for weight loss. With all the cycling I was doing, it seemed that I could eat more and still lose weight. While I did lose weight, the calorie reductions were needed to make a difference in the rate of weight loss.
3. I have picked up some simple tips and used some advice from a book called "The Skinny Rules" (The Skinny Rules: The Simple, Nonnegotiable Principles for Getting to Thin - Kindle edition by Bob Harper, Greg Critser. Health, Fitness & Dieting Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com.)
4. I started pushing myself harder in rides and doing some intervals. I found this helped improve my fitness and it seemed to help with weight loss.
Hope this helps.
I had a very similar problem with excruciatingly slow weight loss. I am about your size (6-4, 260#) and struggled to lose weight. I ride about 150 miles a week / 4 days a week and thought I was eating well. I ride at a relatively fast pace as well. On relatively flat routes, I will average about 7 - 19 MPH for the entire ride.
I still struggle with this, but I have been able to get some results.
There are a couple of things that seem to be working for me.
1. I started using "Myfitmesspal" (Free Calorie Counter, Diet & Exercise Journal | MyFitnessPal.com). I found I was actually eating more than I realized and some small adjustments helped to get me losing wight faster. For example, I found I was consuming a lot more carbs at lunch than I realized and few simple adjustments were easy to adopt.
2. I learned that controlling calories is still the main target for weight loss. With all the cycling I was doing, it seemed that I could eat more and still lose weight. While I did lose weight, the calorie reductions were needed to make a difference in the rate of weight loss.
3. I have picked up some simple tips and used some advice from a book called "The Skinny Rules" (The Skinny Rules: The Simple, Nonnegotiable Principles for Getting to Thin - Kindle edition by Bob Harper, Greg Critser. Health, Fitness & Dieting Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com.)
4. I started pushing myself harder in rides and doing some intervals. I found this helped improve my fitness and it seemed to help with weight loss.
Hope this helps.
IMHO the key to most type II issues is to lose weight, as my weight has dropped my tolerance for carbs has dramatically improved...80g of Quakers old fashioned oats used to blow my blood sugar up to 180, just tested 30 minutes after eating 80g and got a 128.
That really opens up my world as far as what I can responsibly eat, earlier on I was fine if I ate them and got out the door to ride within 10-15 minutes.
I was never on any medications for type II, but Dr. told me either shape up or we will have to start them.
I burned up a lot of test strips when I first got my meter testing all kinds of foods at 60 and 120 minutes...when I go back now and retest the same foods I can see that losing the weight and putting 6 or more hours of riding into my week has drastically changed my physical condition for the better. Will be going back for an A1HC pretty soon here, will be curious to see what it says :-).
Grabbed my sheet reminding me to make an apt and here are my A1HC results from the past.
1-30-2012 5.9
7-9-2012 5.8
2-11-2013 6.3
12-10-2013 6.9 (I was totally off the wall diet wise here)
4-28-2014 6.7
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I found this site that talks about this. The guy is a medical doctor and an elite athlete. The site helped me lose weight
without giving up performance.
Start Here - The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D. The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D.
without giving up performance.
Start Here - The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D. The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D.
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It took me 4 years to lose 60 lbs. It's like pulling nails out of concrete. We each have to find the formula that works for us. My biggest issue is lack of weight loss motivation. I feel like Superman, I'm happy with my fitness on the bike, and all things being relative I'm okay with the way I look.
Only advice I can offer other than take a long approach is:
Eat often, mostly green. Ride lots, mostly fast.
Only advice I can offer other than take a long approach is:
Eat often, mostly green. Ride lots, mostly fast.
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