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The First (maybe) Annual C/A Pizza Port 70 - Saturday, April 4, 2015

Old 02-04-15, 11:22 AM
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The First (maybe) Annual C/A Pizza Port 70 - Saturday, April 4, 2015

OK, enough jackin' around! LET'S DO THIS!!!

What: Pizza Port 70
When: Saturday, April 4, 2015

Time: Roll at 8:15am

C/A Pizza Port 70


The plan is to meet at Angel's Stadium, ride the SART to Huntington Beach, then South on city streets to the Oceanside Pizza Port, then take the Amtrak back to Angel's Stadium.

Anyone who wants to bump it up to 80 miles can start at the Fullerton Metrolink station. That adds miles according to my mapping.

I know this is Easter weekend, but hopefully everyone can make it on Saturday.

I recommend we roll at 8:15am, however, I want to hear from others on this. I know there are some coming from near the end-point. What's your plan to get to the start, and does 8;15am work for you? It looks like the first Metrolink from Oceanside leaves there at 8:15am, so that won't work. Amtak has a train that leaves Solana Beach at 6:43am and gets into Anaheim at 8:08am, and costs $26 (book early for bike spots). I could see that as a viable option. Or, are you thinking of driving up to the starting point, then riding the Metrolink back with the rest of the group? Seems like that would make for a long day, but really would like to hear from you as to what your plan is.

This will be a NO DROP ride. If you feel you can do the distance, but are worried about speed, I hope you'll join us! This will not be a race. We may spread out from time to time, but will regroup regularly, and most definitely before any turns. Plus, we'll ride right past the San Clemente Metrolink station at mile 40, so that's an easy bail-out point for anyone who wants it.

The Metrolink costs $10 for a weekend pass and the ONLY train that will work for us is Train 667 that departs Oceanside at 5:30pm and arrives back to Anaheim at 6:45 PM. Metrolink's website says Train 667 does have a bike car, which can handle up to 18 bikes. Being that Oceanside is the end of the OC line, we should be the first on the train and be OK for bike capacity. Hopefully there aren't a lot of other groups doing this ride on the 4th!

Being a 70 mile ride, I'm guessing an average of 10 mph with stops. Is that fair? That would be a 7-hour ride, maybe a bit more with a lunch stop. If we roll at 8am'ish, that puts us in to Oceanside at around 3pm. This timing should work out fine, and gives @TrojanHorse plenty of time to sample all the beers! Is my estimation of time pretty close?

For those of you who aren't local to SoCal, get your flights booked NOW. I'd recommend flying into John Wayne airport. Maybe take the family to Disneyland on Sunday.

I got to thinking parking at Angel's Stadium may be tough if there's a game, but they're playing at the Dodgers that night. I think we're safe.

This is gonna be a fun ride! Hope to see a huge turnout!

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PhotoJoe (Train)
Beachgrad05 (Train)
Beachgrad's Friend #1 (Train)
jsigone (Local)
tunavic (train)
TrojanHorse (Train)
DrIsotope (Train)
Mrs. DrIsotope (Train)
Ahultin (Local)
Sebastian (Local)

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Pamestique (Train)
Kathy (Train)
jimincalif (Train)
iTrek (Train)
Mrs. iTrek (Train)
Commute Commando


NOTE: I apologize that this first next few posts don't make much sense. The planning of this ride has been a work in progress. I've updated this post to be the latest information, so those just popping in get the latest info right up front. As you read through, I think it will become clear what has been going on.

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I blocked the date on my calendar and I do not require very much time to "sample" beer as you so delicately put it. I'm inclined to say earlier is better but I'll work with whatever satisfies the largest group of people.

We should find a bonus hill to map in somewhere on the route to keep jsigone happy.

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I sent your post to Kathy to see if she has interest (she is weird and likes long rides). If she does it I may struggle to do it as well although I may not do the full 80...

As to the planning 10mph... that is totally reasonable. Usuually on an event ride no matter how fast/hard or slow/pokey I ride it still averages 10mph. Never figured out why.

That said its on the calendar but don't put me down yet as a participate.I just need to get through GMR first!
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Originally Posted by Pamestique
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I sent your post to Kathy to see if she has interest (she is weird and likes long rides). If she does it I may struggle to do it as well although I may not do the full 80...

As to the planning 10mph... that is totally reasonable. Usuually on an event ride no matter how fast/hard or slow/pokey I ride it still averages 10mph. Never figured out why.

That said its on the calendar but don't put me down yet as a participate.I just need to get through GMR first!
That's great, Pam. We'd love to have both you and Kathy (though may change our mind on Kathy, depending on how fast she leaves us behind on GMR!!!! )

I suspect this is you being either modest, or selling yourself a little short on ability. Not sure which, but I would expect you could easily do the whole ride. However, there is no pressure to do more than you're comfortable with. If you look at the route, there are train stations all along, and from Oceanside North, you can catch the Metrolink back, as well.

Let me know when you decide you're in. I like adding names to the list!
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Originally Posted by PhotoJoe
That's great, Pam. We'd love to have both you and Kathy (though may change our mind on Kathy, depending on how fast she leaves us behind on GMR!!!! )

I suspect this is you being either modest, or selling yourself a little short on ability. Not sure which, but I would expect you could easily do the whole ride. However, there is no pressure to do more than you're comfortable with. If you look at the route, there are train stations all along, and from Oceanside North, you can catch the Metrolink back, as well.

Let me know when you decide you're in. I like adding names to the list!
I would love to join as well, but had some concerns on the distance also. My longest ride ever was just under 40 miles. However it was a FAST pace around 15-17 mph and had 2000' of incline. Although I had to stop a few times I struggled and pushed through so I think (more like hope) I could do the entire 80 ride at a much slower pace. If not It's nice to know there are metro stops along the way where I can gracefully take back to the station about 3 miles from home.
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The First (maybe) Annual C/A Pizza Port 80 - Saturday, April 4, 2015

Count me in! The Unlikely Cyclist is doing this from Irvine station on Feb 22.
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Originally Posted by LGHT
I would love to join as well, but had some concerns on the distance also. My longest ride ever was just under 40 miles. However it was a FAST pace around 15-17 mph and had 2000' of incline. Although I had to stop a few times I struggled and pushed through so I think (more like hope) I could do the entire 80 ride at a much slower pace. If not It's nice to know there are metro stops along the way where I can gracefully take back to the station about 3 miles from home.
Mr. 10,000 ft of vertical this month is sandbagging. You got this!

Originally Posted by Beachgrad05
Count me in! The Unlikely Cyclist is doing this from Irvine station on Feb 22.
I've been watching that on FB. Should be a great ride.
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Originally Posted by PhotoJoe
Mr. 10,000 ft of vertical this month is sandbagging. You got this!
You think? This will be double my previous max so I hope I'm ready by then.
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Originally Posted by LGHT
You think?
Yup. I do!
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Count me as a maybe,
Meckena is playing rugby this year and has a home game 4-4. As this is our first foray into an organized sport I have not quite gotten how many games are acceptable to miss
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Originally Posted by ahultin
Count me as a maybe,
Meckena is playing rugby this year and has a home game 4-4. As this is our first foray into an organized sport I have not quite gotten how many games are acceptable to miss
Parents can miss as many as they want. The kids participation is less optional. My personal rule of thumb is that they make a commitment to the team when they join and they're in for the season whether they like it or not!

Maybe Mrs A can take Meckena to her match and you and Sebastian can reverse train up to Anaheim. The spare suite at Palazio TrojanHorse should be available the night before if that appeals to you. Free beer.
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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse
Maybe Mrs A can take Meckena to her match and you and Sebastian can reverse train up to Anaheim.....
Then Mrs. A and McKena can join us at a convenient location and finish the ride with us all.
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Originally Posted by LGHT
You think? This will be double my previous max so I hope I'm ready by then.
Oh yeah, you can do it.
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Originally Posted by jimincalif
Oh yeah, you can do it.
I think that sound you heard was jimincalif signing up for our glorious adventure!
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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse
I think that sound you heard was jimincalif signing up for our glorious adventure!
Ha Ha!

It does sound glorious. I may do it but have to see what, if anything, may be going on with family since it is Easter weekend. Is the train back Amtrak or Metrolink? As I understand it Metrolink has much more capacity for bringing bikes aboard. I could invite some others I know who like riding down the coast but have to be aware of limited train capacity.

The week before, 3/28 is the OCW spring metric century. Maybe see some of you there? LGHT - you can definitely do it. I did it last year after just 6 months back on a bike after over 30 years.
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Originally Posted by jimincalif
Yes yes!

It does sound glorious. I definitely will do it but have to see what, if anything, may be going on with family since it is Easter weekend.
family shmamily. I see what you really meant there.

That metric looks like they dodge right around all the good hills right there. Pity!
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So, @jimincalif is inked!

Metrolink only goes as far South as Oceanside, so the current plan is to do the Amtrak. However, looking at their site, it looks like the Pacific Surfliner only accepts 6 bikes per train. This could pose a problem for us. Thanks for pointing that out, Jim.

Here is my count, as I assume things will go down.

1) PhotoJoe (Train)
2) PhotoJoanne (maybe) (Doubtful she'll ride, but have to count just in case) (Train)
3 TrojanHorse (Train)
4) jsigone (local)
5) LGHT (Train)
6) Beachgrad05 (Train)
8) Pamestique (Train)
9) Kathy (Train)
10) Ahultin (local)
11) Sebastian (local)
12) jimincalif (Train)

If I'm wrong on anybody's local/train, please let me know.

So, this won't work on the Amtrak, or we have to break up the group and take two trains, and maybe more as the group grows. That's not ideal. I know I'm assuming some "maybe's" are inked, but I have to for planning purposes. I'm really hoping everyone on the list will ride, plus more will join.

So, I'm really looking for input here. Do we shorten the ride and make it 70 to Oceanside, then do the Metrolink back? The Metro is $12.75. The only departures from Oceanside to Anaheim on weekends are at 1:20pm and 5:30pm. We'd have to make the 5:30 or we'd be in a world of hurt. Shaving 10 miles off (see below) would help that.

Or, do we want to look at other options for a return trip? I may be able to get a driver and can currently fit 4 bikes on my Excursion (2 roof/2 rack). With more trays for the rack, we could look like a TdF team car (I have 3 cross bars from the old kayaking days), but honestly wasn't looking to make that kind of investment in this (trays). I could fit 5 passengers comfortably, or 6 "close" friends (not counting driver).

Do we start at a point further from Oceanside and still make it 80? Angels Stadium seems like a great place to start, but I don't know the area well. Need help from those who do.

If we keep the start in Anaheim but hit the Pizza Port in Carlsbad, it's 67.5 miles to dinner, then it's only 3 miles back to the train station in Oceanside for a total ride of 70.3 miles.

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/6937304

And, there are a ton of restaurants right near the Oceanside train station, but I don't know how good they would be for a group of riders, are the bikes within view, etc. Please, anybody who knows the area, chime in with input. This option would be sad because Pizza Port 80 has such a nice ring. "Captain's Helm 70.3" just doesn't sound as cool. Wherever we end up, I'd love to have an outdoor patio where we could have the bikes right there. Heck, I don't even know if Pizza Port is good for bikes.

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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse
That metric looks like they dodge right around all the good hills right there. Pity!
There's no route police. You could easily deviate from the route to add Cannon in Orange and Vista del Lago in Mission Viejo! There's a good couple of hills. I've ridden thru Santiago Canyon twice in the last couple of weeks, it is really quite green and scenic right now. Hopefully we get enough rain (on weekdays only, please!) to keep it that way for a while!
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Depart from the Irvine Train Station. Ride down Laguna Canyon to Laguna Beach, hang a left and ride all the way to PP Solana Beach. That's 64.3 miles. Then ride back to Oceanside, that's 15.9 miles. 80.2 total, so it is still the PP 80! Assuming Google is correct.
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Originally Posted by jimincalif
There's no route police.
You should see what I'm going to do to the Tour de Palm Springs route. Total hack job!

As for the PP 80 route, we can always ride back to Oceanside, it's really not very far from the pizza port in Del Mar. Jim, I think PhotoJoe has us starting in Anaheim, not Irvine. Down SART to PCH and then dodge cars to San Clemente.
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. Jim, I think PhotoJoe has us starting in Anaheim, not Irvine. Down SART to PCH and then dodge cars to San Clemente.
Understood. I was just looking at an alternative that preserves the 80 mile route, the Pizza Port, and ends up in O'side to catch the Metrolink instead of the Amtrak in Solana.
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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse
As for the PP 80 route, we can always ride back to Oceanside, it's really not very far from the pizza port in Del Mar.
That would make it the Pizza Port 95, and being that the only train we can realistically hope to catch leaves at 5:30, this makes me nervous.

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WE'll ride right by the PP in Del mar, btw, and Jim also had us starting in Anaheim.

Well, we have plenty of time to figure it out!
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OK, the Metrolink is a good solution. According to the schedule page, we'd be on train 667, which has a Bike Car.

[h=1]Bike Guidelines[/h]As part of its green initiatives program, Metrolink has added Bike Cars to accommodate more bikes on select trains. The lower levels of the new Bike Cars are equipped with multiple stalls that are designed to hold three bikes each. Bike Cars are identified by a yellow “Bike Car” decal on the side of the train or bike train wrap.


[h=2]Bike General Information[/h]Bikes are allowed on ALL Metrolink train cars.
Each train car is designed to hold three bikes. The special Bike Cars are designed to hold 18 bikes on the lower level.
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Originally Posted by PhotoJoe
That would make it the Pizza Port 95, and being that the only train we can realistically hope to catch leaves at 5:30, this makes me nervous.

Pizza Port 95
Start in Irvine, ride to Pizza Port, then ride back to Oceanside, then it is the Pizza Port 80 again. And it gives some people an easy option to just stop in Oceanside at about 50 miles and catch the 1:20 train back if they don't have the time or inclination to do the whole route - call this one the No Pizza 50.
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