Hopem

Trek 7.4 FX Disc $880
Trek 7.2 FX disc $600.

ObiusX

What are you using to mount your lock to the rear rack?

jaxgtr

I used the block that came with the Krytponite lock that is used to wrapped around the Bike tubes. Just used it on the rack.

TexMac

I ride CAADX 2015 and love the bike. Love the bike and cost $1200

VTT

Civia Hyland? Seems like a very well thought out bike.

PaulRivers

I own one, they don't sell it any more, and it's not.

1. Max tire size 35c. Being that it's partially billed as a winter bike, that's rather constricting. Would be much better if it could get up to 42c.
2. They recalled the front fork because original carbon fork could break.
3. Also recalled the expensive stem they put on it because it didn't always match the fork and would dangerously let the wheel move indepently from the handlebars.
4. Recalled the fenders which were special made to attach to the fork, so you're suppose to use generic fenders now instead.
5. Alfine hub has worked well, but on my the shifter this year got gunked up and I had to take it in to get it cleaned out.
6. It's very expensive yet still remains a very heavy bike. They put a lot of high cost parts to shaved off a few grams, onto a bike that's still fairly heavy so it doesn't matter.

I mean...if it cost $800 don't let me stop you, but for the $2k they were asking for it...there's a reason they don't sell it any more.

DosWheelsBtr

I ride a 2015 CAADX myself. Awesome bicycle. I got the Rival 22. The thing is a legend.

twodownzero

I really don't understand this comment at all. Mechanical disc brakes are superior in virtually every respect from the various types of rim brakes that were used throughout the vast majority of the history of the manufacture of bicycles. If hydraulic discs have rendered mechanical discs obsolete, any kind of disc brake has rendered every rim brake bike obsolete.

fietsbob

Buy what you like in the shop you like , brands are many factories much fewer , making multiple brands for Export.

Don't like a specific component part? Buy something else , you do like better , and fit It...Instead.

Mitchamaphone

3 weeks in to commuting with my new crossrip ltd and i would recommend it. Quick and responsive in traffic and fun to ride.

TexMac

Looks good too. Cannondale have done some good stuff

VTT

Perhaps your commute is not the same as everyone else's. My girlfriend has been commuting happily on her $1500 Civia Hyland for years now, and it's never let her down. She loves it. But everyone has a different experience....

1) Over 35mm wide tires (what's "35c" ?) is overkill if you ride on pavement, even in winter. If one needs a mountain bike, then get a mountain bike.
2) My girlfriend's bike came with the steel fork that Civia moved to, and has never had any problems. It does worry me that production in China means the potential for hidden problems like this. But the race to the bottom never stops.
3) Any stem not properly torqued is dangerous. This problem never occurred to my girlfriend, though i think she swapped stems for sizing & aesthetics somewhere along the way. Easy and cheap fix anyway.
4) Fenders are cheap and easy to replace.
5) Alfine is one of the better geared hubs on the market, by all accounts. Not sure what your standard in shifting is, but any shifter or cable that gets grit in it will have problems, no matter what type it is.
6) Expensive is a relative term. In the era of a market flooded with cheap Chinese junk bikes, sure, the Hyland was not the least expensive, but compared to driving a car, ANY commuter bike is a steal of a deal.

PaulRivers

That's your opinion that they're superior. They have a number of drawbacks.
- More expensive
- Rubbing if you take the tire on and off, the tolerance is mm's, also makes swapping between 2 wheels much more difficult
- Squealing when braking, especially if they get wet
- Slight additional weight
- Apparently they may be more likely to cause injury to the rider in front of you, according to recent stuff from bike racing where they've been testing them

I've used mechanical disc brakes on several bikes and had most of the above issues, they're always more hassle than rim brakes. Bottom line is that for a road bike there's much benefit to having them compared to rim brakes, if you don't ride in the rain. Some improvement in modulation. Not necessarily worth the additional hassles you list above.

PaulRivers

Lol I'm not going to get into how you're mixing your feelings with the bike with your feelings for your girlfriend there, that's dangerous territory.

I just don't agree with most of your stuff above, I feel like you're making excuses rather than reasons. I don't think it's the worst bike ever or anything, I still own it, I just think it missed it's marked as a high end winter commuter by a lot, and I wouldn't recommend buying it at anywhere near the kind of cost they were charging, as someone who owns one. I'm most disappointed that the specs say it won't fit their 38c gravdal tires which I find very interesting. But the number of things that aren't quite right or potentially defective was absurdly high in my opinion for the price. (To be fair to the company, I have nothing against them as they obviously did care enough to issue the recall and pay for the fix, I just think this particular model missed the mark).

twodownzero

I really don't think any of these are relevant criticisms. Disc brakes are more expensive because they are an emerging technology that is not yet universal. Once they are common on all levels of bicycles, they will be cheaper than rim brakes. All brakes squeel when there is vibration between the brake surface and pad, so this complaint is not unique to disc brakes. I haven't examined the weight, but I suspect that taking the braking force off of the rim and spokes is going to go a long way to bridging the weight gap. And everyone already knows the rotor cutting that guy's leg argument was bunk right out of the gate--nobody can prove that his leg was cut by a brake rotor when there is a chain and gears on every bike.

Disc brakes are vastly superior in performance to rim brakes. One day, a bike with rim brakes will be looked at like a big wheel bicycle as a remnant of a bygone era. People always regard new technology with skepticism, which is natural and healthy. Disc brakes are not only here to stay on high end bikes, you can bet that they will trickle down to even the bike shaped object one day.

I also hear a lot of trash talk about mechanical disc brakes, but if the principle of operation of a mechanical disc brake were meaningfully in question, all rim brakes would suffer the same fate (I've never seen hydraulic rim brakes, have you?). Mechanical brakes will always be a simpler and perhaps always a more economical option and so I don't see them going anywhere. Rim brakes are going the way of the dodo bird though, you can bet on that.

PaulRivers

Your claim was "Mechanical disc brakes are superior in virtually every respect from the various types of rim brakes". That may or may not happen, but it's not that way right now.

It's waaaay worse with disc brakes.

Again though you claimed "superior in virtually every respect". This is probably the least important element to me, but I'm just sayin' they technically still weigh a tad more.

Lol I imagine that's still up for debate. It's not one of the top issues for most people as they aren't riding in a pack.

That's just plain wrong. A skinny tire road bike on a dry day, it's the same. You don't gain any performance.
The advantages of disc brakes are in the rain, with fatter tires, and possibly better modulation. However if you don't ride regularly in the rain it doesn't really matter.

Not really relevant speculation to what I was responding to.

That says the opposite to me, that they never had to make hydraulic rim brakes because mechanical rim brakes worked well and wouldn't benefit from hydraulics.
In contrast mechanical disc brakes worked poorly enough that they needed to come up with hydraulic versions to fix some of their issues.

Mechanical rim brakes are simpler yet, and more economical as well.
I'd say it's more likely to see mechanical disc brakes go the way of the dodo, with bikes only coming with mechanical rim brakes or hydraulic disks after the prices come down.

Disc brakes just don't have any "huge" advantages over rim brakes in the conditions most people ride in for road riding - skinny tire good weather. The small advantages they have are balanced out by small disadvantages. They're not "universally superior" in any way I can see. Not saying they're bad, just not nearly as over-the-top superior.

Andy_K 

I love my disc brakes, but I'm with @PaulRivers on this one. I've got daul pivot calipers on my road bikes, and I never find myself wishing they had disc brakes. Never.